Speaker comparison for EVH tone.

908ssp · Post by **908ssp** » Tue May 23, 2006 10:14 pm

rockstah wrote:with all due respect - and i mean that - you guys r nuts here - the voice of the first take is it if anything of the 3 for vh - r u saying you like the sound of the second take? - ok - i can dig it but its not the VH voice - no way jose- the midrange of a v30 is always apparent and always is not vh - come on! listen to the voice not the sound.

Actually the second cut is a H30 not a V30 two entirely different speakers that said I still think the 25 M sounded much more like the original song. The second cut is missing all the mids of the greenback and the original song has plenty of mids. And that is what I thought he was asking.

rgalpin · Post by **rgalpin** » Tue May 23, 2006 10:34 pm

i listened to the clips in headphones - because that's the way i listen to stuff while i'm at "work" --- and in the headphones, the first clip made me feel like i wanted to back away from the sound so the highs would stop getting in the way of the tone - i certainly don't feel that way when i hear van halen I.

the second clip was so much more listenable and smooth - more like ed in that way.

jnewlyn · Post by **jnewlyn** » Tue May 23, 2006 10:53 pm

I thought the second was a G12H30.

ooops. Nevermind. I guess it was.

jnewlyn · Post by **jnewlyn** » Tue May 23, 2006 10:57 pm

rockstah wrote:with all due respect - and i mean that - you guys r nuts here - the voice of the first take is it if anything of the 3 for vh - r u saying you like the sound of the second take? - ok - i can dig it but its not the VH voice - no way jose- the midrange of a v30 is always apparent and always is not vh - come on! listen to the voice not the sound.

The last sentence says it best. The voicing of the first clip is closest to VH.

rgalpin · Post by **rgalpin** » Tue May 23, 2006 11:07 pm

...with the exception of the spiky, brittle, obtrusive, glassy, un-vh-like high end.

guitarforhire · Post by **guitarforhire** » Tue May 23, 2006 11:10 pm

is that where eds 50 foot cable comes in handy?

I think that ge-10 is making a huge differance, especially when you hit the A and the G chords

mightymike · Post by **mightymike** » Wed May 24, 2006 6:51 am

rgalpin wrote:...with the exception of the spiky, brittle, obtrusive, glassy, un-vh-like high end.

+1

rgalpin · Post by **rgalpin** » Wed May 24, 2006 9:36 am

listened again this morning - i see what you mean about cut 1 being the correct voice although i don't have vh I here to A-B it - maybe it's the low volume thing making the super-highs too predominant - when i listen to cut 2 today i really here a non-vh sounding thing happening when he hits the C note on the A string - there is a plainness to it because the lows are eating up the color of the mids. too bad for moi that there isn't a V30 example here to compare it to.

thanks to adamsapple for posting a very helpful clip.

mightymike · Post by **mightymike** » Wed May 24, 2006 1:30 pm

Turn Coat!

Just Kidding.
This is with G12m Reissues.

rgalpin · Post by **rgalpin** » Wed May 24, 2006 1:48 pm

awesome man! G12M! yes!

http://www.legendarytones.com/CelestionHeritage1.htm

cool review to back up what i heard in yer clip.

very nice - thanks.

the specs for your amp... posted on the board here anywhere? i see it in yer sig line - can you spell out the goary details? or are the components for george's 12000 series documented here on the site?

mightymike · Post by **mightymike** » Wed May 24, 2006 2:51 pm

50 Jumpered on the V3 Cap
100pf fizz
250pf and 56k slope
500pf and 2 470k Mix resisters
33uf and 47uf in series on the screens
50uf mains
16uf x2 LCR on the Preamp.
.1uf on the Presense

no bright cap

****** Daganall 1.5 clone OT
****** 2.5 Dual Tap Drake Clone PT

@430v

rgalpin · Post by **rgalpin** » Wed May 24, 2006 3:12 pm

re:
33uf and 47uf in series on the screens

when you put them in series you divide them in half if they are the same value - so, i'm guessing you end up with somewhere around 20uf with that. what do you have? a 33+33 can and 47+47 can?

did you do that on purpose?

re:
50 jumpered on V3

is that a 50+50 in parallel? rendering 100uf?

re:
430 volts

that's nice and low ay? for brownness and goodness?

sorry for 20 questions. i am on a quest.
are these the droids i am looking for?

thanks,
-rob

62sg · Post by **62sg** » Wed May 24, 2006 4:06 pm

I prefer clip #1 slightly over #2...and #3, the Eminence...doesn't even sound like a Private Jack. The high/high mids were different than what I am used to hearing from the PJ .

adamsapple · Post by **adamsapple** » Wed May 24, 2006 4:10 pm

I hear you guys on the biting high end on the recordings. Like I said I recorded this stuff w/o thinking. It wasnt even at band level and the mike was straight into the dust cap/ no angle. Also, all these speakers are brand new/ not broken in. I will attempt to re-record cranked, angled mike etc. for a better representation. The GE-10 eq does it for EVH, it cuts low end boominess, adds midrange crunch and drive and smooths the high end. I dont know how Rockstah was able to get the gain he did w/o a boost pedal on his '67 recordings. Rockstah's amp nails VHII IMO! Rock on!!

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Wed May 24, 2006 4:15 pm

which clip r u talking about and maybe i can elaborate some if you want. some are post phase and some are pre phase inverter master.