My new amp, any guesses?

[Marshall SL12301]

my opinion:
good? yes
nailed? not so much

i don't feel the heat. it's like looking at a picture of fire. looks right. but i can't feel the heat.

kind if like one of these?

[Good Guest]

pipe it thru a real plexi poweramp.

This is the next step. I've been running through a good studio solid state amp with ref speakers and it won't whomp. Like Cary said, good luck with real drums. Luckily my drummer is on fake Roland drums too! Think of the logistics of practice of being able to turn down drums.

Sorry off topic.

This is the thing ..when modellers first took off the idea was it was supposed to be so much like the real thing you would have to play it thru a quality stereo type amp to get to hear the great quality etc... turned out to be a farce regarding power tube dependant amps such as plexi's etc...and that's where gizmos like the axe fx jobby had them beat ...trying to emulate power and output transformer interaction and such....the best these devices can do like I was saying is the audible but not the feel, magic..or like Cary says ,whomp!

For people like us tho a plexi/marshall power amp (effects return) is the cats ass and we can really enjoy the power of todays modeler regarding marshall tones ..harmonic feedback whomp and the smell of cheap french perfume w/hookers and heat....because the modeler gives you even more control of output options it's even better than the typical plexi preamp.

I'm finding the same with mesa or engl tones..the power amp is the ticket with these modeler tones too..but cabs seem to play a big role, also..they litterly nail the preamps in spades tho in all of em....but you have to have the REAL power amps to enjoy them like the real deal, real transformers and complex crunch and harmonics you can only get with a real power amp.

Solid state power amps won't cut it unless your emulating solid state amps. Another neat thing are the effects and there lack of noise which makes them far more superior...seriously ..what would sound better a 6 band with no noise or a 6 band with noise ..toilet paper in the roll ....does a bear shit in the woods...aint no turning back once you have that kind of power.

[rgalpin]

...it's even better than the typical plexi preamp.

wow. are you saying that about the clip posted here? or have i lost track of the elusive line of logic herewithin?

in the clip posted here at the start of this thread - the bloom of a ringing power chord is all wrong. it's like the fake fireplace posted above. it's robo-plexi. imo.

[Good Guest]

...it's even better than the typical plexi preamp.

wow. are you saying that about the clip posted here? or have i lost track of the elusive line of logic herewithin?

in the clip posted here at the start of this thread - the bloom of a ringing power chord is all wrong. it's like the fake fireplace posted above. it's robo-plexi. imo.

No not the clip ..I'm talking in general..the clip is great and 100% emulated but it would be better played thru a real plexi power amp...no robo plexi then, surely you can hear the plexi tone and the evh in the clip that says if that went thru a blazing plexi power amp it really would be something. albeit the whole clip is emulated ..I'm saying plexi preamp model into real plexi power amp is the way to go, then to real cab. You realize the jump plexi head and variac etc are all modelled...not real?

[cary chilton]

wtf? I post the most accurate TAB on Eruption to date awhile back and a modeller thread has 3X the traffic in two days? haha
I guess everyone knows how to play Eruption perfectly already ??? Whatever the case, Eruption TAB posted-thread 4 years ago would have had 1100 ppl in a day!

[vanhalen5150]

wtf? I post the most accurate TAB on Eruption to date awhile back and a modeller thread has 3X the traffic in two days? haha
I guess everyone knows how to play Eruption perfectly already ??? Whatever the case, Eruption TAB posted-thread 4 years ago would have had 1100 ppl in a day!

Because this place is really fucked up Cary.

[dirtycooter]

"From my cold dead hands!" Love it!!

While I like to hear how close these devices get and no matter how I dig it, still lies this question....

Bud Light Presents.........Real men of genius
Your a rockstar finally, you made it to the top! You show up to the arena lookin bad ass!
The place is packed! Chicks screamin and chantin your name! You are the baddest guitarslinger alive!
You have busted ass to get this far. Everything finally came together though.

You walk on stage and plug in..........

Directly into a blow up doll

No wall of 4x12 cabs. No ominous looking heads behind you. You just plug into this little rack box and it pipes direct theough the p.a.

The hottest chick you ever seen throws herself at your feet beggin for the treatment.



But you? You grab your maniquin and say "babe, I am already taken, by this fake bitch right here"

[dirtycooter]

Sorry. I just had to.......it was wide open.
But we salute you......mr. evh tone thread mislabeler!

[somethin'else]

I have to say, the modeling stuff has come leaps and bounds and sounds great. Especially if you're noodling at home. But you at least need good headphones, or monitors or whatever. But then it becomes a bigger deal when you go out live. You need the power amp and the cab(s) with the perfect speakers, etc. At that point, you're essentially hauling the same amount of weight around, exchanging the weight of a real plexi head with a laptop, but adding the weight of a power amp. OR, just plug into the house system, with a parachute.

But what kills me is, why would you want to pump a logarithm into a plexi? This is criminal logic imho. Are you talking about simulating a slave deal?

I mean, I get it, for virtual jamming, which is how a lot of us have to get along, 'cause logistics of dealing with humans and schedules and families and gas and a jam space . . . And it allows us to jam with folks across the world. Isn't that what's born from all of it?

But those logarithms factor in speakers too, so you would have to count on the house system, or some pristine speaker that doesn't impart any character to what it's representing. And you'll never get feedback in the proper way, no matter how the programmers fool you into thinking that your actually interacting with the thing.

Like I say, I'm not dissing it or tryin' to pump the debate (cause there isn't one) but it is kind of a blow up doll with a video of a fireplace. OK I just dissed it.

But Ookramoo, you play like a mofo, and dial up the killer sounds with that stuff, and I wouldn't want to call you out on this just because you are rockin' out with it! And if it suits your needs, then damn! Fire away full guns a blazing in bliss, and I can only love it for that.

[OokraMoO]

I just can't afford a real plexi since I'm a student, so I just do this stuff for fun, and if someone happens to be in the same boat as me, and asks for the preset, I share with all, I didn't mean to mess up your forum guys, sorry.

[vanhalen5150]

I just can't afford a real plexi since I'm a student, so I just do this stuff for fun, and if someone happens to be in the same boat as me, and asks for the preset, I share with all, I didn't mean to mess up your forum guys, sorry.

No, you didn't mess up anything. This train jumped the tracks and took a dirt road long ago. Keeping interest in amp building and mods just isn't what it use to be. Ever since George discontiued the complete kits, people have really gotten shy of building something themselves. Things will turn around eventually.

[Rich_D]

How does an Eruption tab thread belong in a tone forum more than a pretty damn close modeler clip?

The heroes like Ralle, Strat78, vhjunkie, etc. (etc. clip posting amp builders please forgive me) have pretty much put the baby to bed on getting a Marshall or Metro plexi to sound like Van Halen. It's natural that the forum would branch into other areas of VH tone.

[cary chilton]

How does an Eruption tab thread belong in a tone forum more than a pretty damn close modeler clip?

The heroes like Ralle, Strat78, vhjunkie, etc. (etc. clip posting amp builders please forgive me) have pretty much put the baby to bed on getting a Marshall or Metro plexi to sound like Van Halen. It's natural that the forum would branch into other areas of VH tone.

Rich, all things EVH.... interviews, tour vid links, photos.... Eruption is a famous solo by EVH

[Rich_D]

Rich, all things EVH.... interviews, tour vid links, photos.... Eruption is a famous solo by EVH

I think because this is a new frontier to answer your question about traffic.

Good Guest, today I put my GR5 through the effects return of my 5150 combo and it sounded very dark and flat with much less dynamics than through quality solid state power with ref speakers. Volume didn't help. It's changing what is good about keeping it all solid state although technically I'm not going to try to guess why. I also thought it would put some whomp into the output but just the opposite. flat flat flat. Dead as doorknobs.

[vanhalen5150]

Rich, all things EVH.... interviews, tour vid links, photos.... Eruption is a famous solo by EVH

I think because this is a new frontier to answer your question about traffic.

Good Guest, today I put my GR5 through the effects return of my 5150 combo and it sounded very dark and flat with much less dynamics than through quality solid state power with ref speakers. Volume didn't help. It's changing what is good about keeping it all solid state although technically I'm not going to try to guess why. I also thought it would put some whomp into the output but just the opposite. flat flat flat. Dead as doorknobs.

I tried my Rack11 the same way through the 5150 effects return. Not very good at all.