A LOOK AT HISTORY "JTM45 OFFSET" serial #8 OR #9

[spaceace76]

WOW

this thing is so nice it deserves NOS fuses.

more please!

[MHProd]

The logo on the 4x12 is a repro. The red color is plain wrong. Not sure about the amp itself.

[yngwie308]

All the MG haters.. how can you steal from a band of honest robbers!!
They are amp historians, just ask 'em and they'll tell you
yngwie308

[neikeel]

All the MG haters.. how can you steal from a band of honest robbers!!
They are amp historians, just ask 'em and they'll tell you
yngwie308

Hi Yngwie

Do you think (or for that matter know) that it is one of theirs?

NK

[Structo]

Wow!
If that thing is genuine, it sure is in great shape!

Usually these old amps are bought and sold and gigged so hard they rarely survive through the years.

Very interesting thread for sure.

How much did he pay?

[yngwie308]

neikeel, I did answer this thread earlier today, but it got lost somehow.
I do remember seeing an original JTM 45 offset head at MG back in the late eighties when I had travelled to England, Doncaster for the express purpose of finding a Super Lead plexi. I remember Rick Harrison showing me a similar head, but it wasn't an interest of mine at that time.
There are a lot of 'right' things about it, obviously it isn't a complete fabrication. The front panel is remarkably clean for an amp of it's age, as is the whole amp in general.
As has been mentioned, there are points of some changes.
I do know my '66 JTM 45 I chose at MG back then was majorly original, had the reinforcing aluminum chassis end blocks, the same as George has reproduced in his killer JTM 45/100, ect...
Time will tell, looks a very nice amp.
yngwie308

[5150loveeddie]

Wow!
If that thing is genuine, it sure is in great shape!

Usually these old amps are bought and sold and gigged so hard they rarely survive through the years.

Very interesting thread for sure.

How much did he pay?

It is 100% real, the owner both it from a place in Leeds in the UK, don't remember what the name is BUT that place was knows for being fraudulous at occasions BUT not always, we send the info to some expert and they all say it is the real thing, just need some restoration here and there. Also it is impossible to know exactly what was what in 1962, as this amp was the 3rd or 4th down the line after the 5 prototypes Marshall made....

Some said the choke is not original? I know they used a BIGGER black type choke on some other heads but htat one has no extra holes form a bigger choke in there prior.....??!!!

MG what is MG??? Some place that makes fake fraud stuff look right, etc.... ?????

[neikeel]

It is 100% real, the owner both it from a place in Leeds in the UK, don't remember what the name is BUT that place was knows for being fraudulous at occasions BUT not always, we send the info to some expert and they all say it is the real thing, just need some restoration here and there. Also it is impossible to know exactly what was what in 1962, as this amp was the 3rd or 4th down the line after the 5 prototypes Marshall made....

Some said the choke is not original? I know they used a BIGGER black type choke on some other heads but htat one has no extra holes form a bigger choke in there prior.....??!!!

MG what is MG??? Some place that makes fake fraud stuff look right, etc.... ?????

Oh dear

Musicground are a shop based in Leeds, Doncaster and Denmark Street. I am sure they have some really good stuff but they also have a reputation (deserved or otherwise) for other less honourable dealings. I have not experienced it entirely at first hand but I can give you some examples;

http://forum.marstran.com/viewtopic.php ... p=857#p857

http://www.vintageamps.com/plexiboard/v ... =3&t=82300

http://vintageamps.com/plexiboard/viewt ... 36#p831336

http://vintageamps.com/plexiboard/viewt ... lit=lashup

If your friend bought it from Leeds I am afraid Alnico's comment about 8 hole board cut down to 7 hole board is highly likely to be correct

[908ssp]

I have pictures of both 7 and 8 hole boards in early JTMs. The 8 may be later than the 7. Do we know when and who cut the board to 7? Since all the boards are cut from larger pieces at one time or another and it is NOT manufactured in 8 row widths it is cut to 8 row widths. Couldn't Marshall have trimmed the 8 row to 7 right from the start? Just for the extra room and so the leads would reach across the board? I don't think the board width proves anything one way or another.

On the other hand a MG history is a big red flag. The fact that there aren't extra holes means only that they made the chassis too which I can do in my shop just as well. After all these were hand bent on a break easy to do again.

[neikeel]

Whatever happened to this rig?

I am much more informed now - and I know it is a fake.

I often wonder if there has been enough money to make that sort of thing worthwhile but at the prices mentioned it clearly is, although you probably have to wreck a more mundane mid 60's JTM45 to make one of these................

[demonufo]

I can't recall everything that Ken U said, but were the earliest of these even "offsets"?

At least we now know that there certainly weren't ANY from '62.
And that there was only 1 prototype.
And that the chassis, particularly the transformer cutout, is all wrong for an amp supposedly of that serial number.
Should we not also be looking for an amp with a black faceplate with serial no's that low?