Delay

Billy Batz · Post by **Billy Batz** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:35 pm

Most people seem to be under the impression that tube echos are warm and lofi like analogs but no way. They are bright and lively as anything.

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:20 pm

Here's a little update on my delay situation. While recording last week I got to compare my line 6 delay to an old memory man. It ruined my line 6 for me as the tone just couldn't compare, having the digital conversion in the signal path was crapping on my tone with the pedal engaged. So I went and sold the line 6 and bought the ehx reissue deluxe memory man. I have also had the oppurtunity to play an maxon ad80 this week too. My conclusion has been that the digital delays just can't compare to the analog delays in tone. The only drawback to most analog delays is that all the delay times are really short. However, the maxon ad999 has the pretty long delay times and is a really good sounding pedal. The line 6 is still good if you want lots of features, but tone-wise I gotta say the analog delays take the prize.

Billy Batz · Post by **Billy Batz** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:16 pm

daniel wrote:Here's a little update on my delay situation. While recording last week I got to compare my line 6 delay to an old memory man. It ruined my line 6 for me as the tone just couldn't compare, having the digital conversion in the signal path was crapping on my tone with the pedal engaged. So I went and sold the line 6 and bought the ehx reissue deluxe memory man. I have also had the oppurtunity to play an maxon ad80 this week too. My conclusion has been that the digital delays just can't compare to the analog delays in tone. The only drawback to most analog delays is that all the delay times are really short. However, the maxon ad999 has the pretty long delay times and is a really good sounding pedal. The line 6 is still good if you want lots of features, but tone-wise I gotta say the analog delays take the prize.

I get tired of telling people this. They look at you sideways. If your into delay they you know. Most people look at delay as just some effect. Not part of your whole tone.

Necrovore · Post by **Necrovore** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:24 pm

Yeah, Billy thats the pedal alright. Wow, never even looked at what it was worth. Cool, got me an investment piece now.

dosmun · Post by **dosmun** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:54 pm

I currently use 2 of these and love the sound

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Hassan Chop · Post by **Hassan Chop** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:57 pm

Billy Batz wrote:
daniel wrote:Here's a little update on my delay situation. While recording last week I got to compare my line 6 delay to an old memory man. It ruined my line 6 for me as the tone just couldn't compare, having the digital conversion in the signal path was crapping on my tone with the pedal engaged. So I went and sold the line 6 and bought the ehx reissue deluxe memory man. I have also had the oppurtunity to play an maxon ad80 this week too. My conclusion has been that the digital delays just can't compare to the analog delays in tone. The only drawback to most analog delays is that all the delay times are really short. However, the maxon ad999 has the pretty long delay times and is a really good sounding pedal. The line 6 is still good if you want lots of features, but tone-wise I gotta say the analog delays take the prize.

I get tired of telling people this. They look at you sideways. If your into delay they you know. Most people look at delay as just some effect. Not part of your whole tone.

Jeez, that's a can o' worms! I used to use just a taste of slapback in my heavy rhythm tone; just a hair, not really noticeable usually--just enough to "embiggen" it a little. If I popped a string or made some short, sharp sound like that you might notice it, but not while playing a song. I've tried to get away from that because I've been paring down ALL effects in my tone. That tiny little bit of slapback may have to reappear, though, to thicken things out a skosh... I originally put it in there to try and get a bit more beefiness without resorting to more distortion. A lot of tracks that we hear on albums and so on aren't as distorted as they sound at first because they're double- (or triple- or more) tracked, which thickens them out. I used the slapback to mimic that. It's a delicate balance though, for sure. Too much and you start to sound like a poor copy of the Stray Cats. Not enough and you may as well have not even bothered. Too short a delay and you're comb-filtering your tone, too long and you sound like some cheap and cheesy Eighties action movie soundtrack...

kurtsstuff · Post by **kurtsstuff** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:54 am

I gotta Boss DM-2 for sale if'n anybodys lookin??

Mass · Post by **Mass** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:01 pm

Virtual Sounds H20

Liqoud chorus and echo

Not bad at all.............................

medicsteve · Post by **medicsteve** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:53 pm

I get so tired of people saying that line 6 product are a piece of crap, it is digital so don't think its going to be anolog, you also need to run them through an effects loop or they won't sound the same. You would be suprised at how many proff. musicians have swithched to alot of the line 6 products.

Billy Batz · Post by **Billy Batz** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:45 pm

hey medics. I have the delay and used to have the modulation modeler. The pedals not the pro rack units. I can see why their so popular with so many touring musicians. I dont think their crap but I dont think there very good compared to nearly any of the real effects they try to clone, which is why they catch flak since that is the whole purpose of that pedal, but at the same time Im a realist and they are a good decent effect and the flexibility is incredible. If you run a wet dry rig where you cant use most instrument level effects their perfect. I speak mostly of the delay. I have to admit I thought almost all of the effects in the modulation were eh... I would use a few though.The delay is collecting dust right now because I havent been gigging but I think thats one of the best units for touring musicians out there. But if my sole concern was having the most toneful, musical sound I could, I just cant see the line6 ever comparing. I dont want to sound so negative about it but thats just how I feel. It is one of my favorite pedals really and Im not a huge pedal person. Theres people out there that are all about collecting hundreds of pedals.

JimmyR · Post by **JimmyR** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:31 pm

Delay is my main effect - I love rockabilly, spy music, etc (!) - and have got quite a collection of good delay pedals. I have an old Boss DM2, a Boss DD20, old IBZ AD99, brand new Carl Martin Red Repeat, blah blah blah...

Well my absolute fave is the Maxon AD999. The TRex Replica messes with my tone too much. I was amazed at that! The Maxon is very quiet and has just the right tone to it to sit in the mix perfectly. The BYOC delay is very good too.

I love the DM2 but it's not as versatile as the Maxon, and is not quite as loud. The Maxon lets my signal pass through with almost no colouration or vol change. While I think the Maxon AD9 sounds wonderful it does drop the level a touch which is annoying when you're right on the edge of clipping.

And the Carl Martin Red Repeat sounds great but can't get quite quick enough for my slap-back stuff. For longer delays it's lovely though!