Overdrive and distortion pedals

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Overdrive and distortion pedals

Post by Keelz » Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:16 am

Ok guys, say I get a metro SLP kit or amp, and want some good overdrives. (Obv natural amp distortion will be used mainly :wink: )

But do any of you have good suggestions for overdrive pedals and other distortion pedals. I want to be able to get some pretty good heavy sounds, as well as the nice blues tones.

I have a DS-1 now, and i've heard good things about fulltone's full-drive.
Any advice for slightly heavier tones?

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Post by Country Boy Shane » Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:53 am

I recently picked up a Fulltone Fat Boost. I like to use it just for solos because it totally beefs up your sustain and harmonic character, along with a tad more drive. Fulltone makes awesome products! Hand made in the USA and built like tanks!
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Post by Flames1950 » Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:35 pm

Good call Country Boy!! That Fulltone FatBoost is a killer for both Strats and Les Pauls!! Using that tone knob with more treble than you'd expect is key for me; the FatBoost can really turn your bass to mush if you're not careful. But I love it, it's very "transparent."
Another current fave is VooDoo Labs' SparkleDrive, which pairs up a clone of the Ibanez TS-808 Tube Screamer circuit with a clean boost; you adjust a balance knob between the two, and it really lets you dial in the perfect blend of additional distortion and boost, usually sells at around $120, cheaper on eBay maybe. Using the TS-808 circuit keeps bass farting to a minimum as the Tube Screamers tend to roll off the bass pretty heavily. It still darkens up nicely with Fender guitars.
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Post by Country Boy Shane » Sun Jun 20, 2004 6:18 pm

I heard a lot of people saying that it only works great for Strats, but i think i proved that opinion wrong at my last rehersal. The thing is a little grey beast! What i like about it too is that it isn't all that noisy and it doesn't make your guitar/amp faceless (like you said) like a lot of other pedals you can buy. I think Mr. Fuller got a customer for life!
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Post by Hassan Chop » Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:07 am

I got a good sound out of my Plexi Re-issue by putting an Ibanez Tube Screamer in front of it. It's the recent TS-808 re-issue. I use it as a clean boost. It gives the amp a crispy, crackly (in a good way) kind of crunch. (Sounds like breakfast cereal, no? "It's got a crispy, crackly kind of crunch; not sodden, limp ,soggy or mushy at all!") It does color the tone a bit as compared to straight into the amp, but it colors it an a way I like. Someone on another board said it better already: "It puts the 'CH' in 'CHUNK.'" It also attenuates some of the lower frequencies a bit and emphasizes the highs.

I use the Tube Screamer for my main heavy rhythm sound and then boost that with either a Boss DS-1 (set for boost, not distortion) or a Time Machine Boost for solos. They all sound a bit different, one might be better at getting feedback (one of life's little extras!), another might make it easier to get pinch harmonics.

I've heard that using an EQ pedal for boost can also be quite efficacious. Maybe I'll try that one day.
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Post by Flames1950 » Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:10 am

I heard that "only for Strats" crap too, and I don't believe it either. I thought it did a great solo boost on the Les Paul. I think a lot of guys must want some coloration to their Gibson's sound but I really like the transparency the Fulltone gives. A lot of guys seem to like that Zvex Super Hard On for Gibsons; never tried it, but with a name like Super Hard On, it's gotta be cool too!
I don't even remember if I had bass mush problems with a Gibson and the Fulltone. The Strat pickups let the bass notes smack like a piano and just seem to need less bass boost anyway. The Gibsons don't crack on the low strings as hard and always sound "smoother" to my ears when I use the Fatboost.
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Post by Flames1950 » Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:12 am

I'd love to try that Time Machine Boost, but I'm trying to swear off credit card purchases for a while now that the baby's here. About shit my pants at how much money I'd been spending on gear lately!!
Maybe you could just send me yours to try, Hassan...... :wink:
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Re: Overdrive and distortion pedals

Post by Hassan Chop » Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:47 pm

Keelz wrote:Ok guys, say I get a metro SLP kit or amp, and want some good overdrives. (Obv natural amp distortion will be used mainly :wink: )

But do any of you have good suggestions for overdrive pedals and other distortion pedals. I want to be able to get some pretty good heavy sounds, as well as the nice blues tones.
For the "nice blues tones," turn that fire-breather down. Guys like Stevie Ray Vaughan used overdrive pedals to get clean-sounding Fender amps to break up. I doubt that'll be a problem with a Marshall or clone.
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Post by bluefuzzguitar » Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:14 pm

I've said this in several posts across this forum but I can't emphasize this enough so here goes one more time:

The secret to not only a good blues tone but also a good classic rock tone is to not go over 5 or 6 on your amp volume (Fender OR Marshall) and to use a good OD and/or fuzz pedal to drive your amp's front end. This is the secret to not only SRV's tone but also that of virtually all the great rock players from the late 60's/early 70's.

Cranking your amp will sound great if you rely on natural tube distortion only but will sound muddied and undefined when used in conjunction with diode clipping. Reversely, diode clipping will sound thin, brittle and 'plastic' if your amp's volume is below 5. That's because it's a rather thin signal that was designed to run with amps on breakup point, not below or beyond that. Only then will you find the transistor signal is just enough and will complement the slight tube breakup you get from your amp in a very natural way, provided you use a decent tube amp and OD and/or fuzz, of course.

This is always preferable over gain channels and master volumes IMO which rely heavily on preamp tube distortion. Your power tubes, provided they're good ones who can take the abuse the pedals will give you, will always give you a warmer, fuller, richer and fatter sound with more headroom than your preamp tubes, no matter how good your preamp tubes are. You simply cannot squeeze any more tone out of those small preamp tubes than those bigger end tubes will provide. The secret is therefore not to overdrive your amp's preamp stage too much, which goes back to my amp-at-breakup-point comment. This is one of the reasons why I use a 5751 (30% less gain than a 12AX7/ECC83) in the first gain stage of my amps, another SRV special.

As for my OD of choice, I really, really like my Menatone Red Snapper. Its circuit is based on the TS808 but you'd be doing it injustice by referring to this pedal as a TS clone. It's become its own animal because Brian Mena actually improved on the circuit by making this THE most transparent OD I know with NO mid hump and bass loss. It works great as a clean boost and will bring out TS-like qualities when you add drive but in a very natural, tubelike way. You'd be hard pressed to tell whether it's the actual pedal you're hearing or the amp's natural breakup, especially with the two signals blended together! The Menatone Red Snapper is one of the best-kept secrets in the boutique pedal business today and will eat any Fulltone pedal or the overpriced Klon Centaur for breakfast. I'm sure that had he lived SRV would have loved the Snapper!

Favorite fuzzes are the J. Everman Fuzz Drive Deluxe (another such great unknown pedal) and the 80's silicon fuzz-face reissues Dave Fox made for Audio Crest. Favorite octave-up pedal is my Chicago Iron Octavion. Favorite treble booster is my Roger Mayer Concorde +. They all sound great with my amp(s) on breakup point. Remember that, folks! An amp might sound great on its own cranked and driven by one or more pedals but will sound like total dog pooh when used in a band mix. You need that clean headroom to cut thru and your tone will open up more with less gain.

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Post by Keelz » Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:10 am

thanks for all the replies guys! it really helps! :)

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Post by 5150loveeddie » Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:23 pm

Hey guys just receive my Boss super overdrive mod pedal from M. Robert Keeley himseft and holy smoke the combination of it with a 1959 is just amazing.

http://www.robertkeeley.com/product.php?id=13

I use it meanly for boost only, with a touch of drive and tone control and WOW it is rockin

Apparently that new overdrive from Dunlop "MXR Zakk Wylde Overdrive" mix well also with a SP, anyone tried it?

And Flame I own a TMB and it is the best clean boost out there....it' a Keeley and a Svabados.......can go wrong with that.....!!!

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Post by edwardz » Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:49 pm

I've got a couple of Keeley's mooded Tube Screamers and a modded Boss Blues Driver. He definitely improves them over the stock pedals. I had quit using the Tube Screamers for a while before I found out about him and had them modded. Now I'd say there much more musical. I liked them so much that I bought the Blues Driver and had him mod that. I didn't like that pedal stock at all, but he works magic on them too.

As far as clean boost pedals go, I had a Klon Centaur. That's a very pricey pedal to use as a boost, and it does color your sound I sold it and bought a RGW Bad Bob Boost for a pure, uncolored boost.
It's a nice solo booster and can boost up to like 20 dbs. I bought mine from Analogman, but you can also buy them from Tonefactor. I don't miss

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Post by dirtydeeds22 » Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:56 am

Reverend Drivetrain if you can find one. They stopped making them a couple of years ago. I used mine before I got the LP to add some mids. Now I'll probably use it for a boost. Seriously, if you come across one buy it.

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Post by dosmun » Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:19 am

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Post by Keelz » Sat Sep 11, 2004 9:06 am

I ended up getting a Carl Martin Hot Drive n Boost Mk3. Im pretty happy with it, but will probably add a ts 9 to the lineup to try for a boost instead of using the boost inbuilt in the Carl Martin.

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