Jeff Beck

Tone Slinger · Post by **Tone Slinger** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:52 pm

MMMM, then I'll probably have to get it on CD. I like the version of Stevie Wonders "Supestition" that they did on that BB&A studio album. Jeff was getting some heavy, nasty sounds on that album.

NY Chief · Post by **NY Chief** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:15 pm

Stevie wrote Superstition for Beck when the tried to record in Motown. Stevie liked it so much he changed his mind and recorded himself!

T.J.Fuller · Post by **T.J.Fuller** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:21 pm

Tone Slinger wrote: I havent heard that live album, but I'm gonna be on the lookout for it now. I'll try finding vinyl first, then resort to cd if I cant find it.

When you get it....be sure to soak in his TONE on Freeway Jam once Jeff B. and Jan H. stop trading off traffic-car-horn impersonations.

I don't know what he is playing (ampwise/ effects) but, that is one of the best-powerful-live guitar tones ever!!!

NY Chief · Post by **NY Chief** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:40 pm

T.J.Fuller wrote:
Tone Slinger wrote: I havent heard that live album, but I'm gonna be on the lookout for it now. I'll try finding vinyl first, then resort to cd if I cant find it.
When you get it....be sure to soak in his TONE on Freeway Jam once Jeff B. and Jan H. stop trading off traffic-car-horn impersonations.

I don't know what he is playing (ampwise/ effects) but, that is one of the best-powerful-live guitar tones ever!!!

The BBA live album was only released in Japan and it's still pretty pricey. The live LP with Jan Hammer is domestic. I know he influenced Beck's playing a lot I find it very hard to listen Jan Hammer. I hate that one tone that he uses a lot. He also stated years ago that the guitar was done. Everything that can be done on the guitar has been and eveything now is a cliche. So when they asked him why was he playing with JB he answered because Jeff INVENTED most of those cliche's.....

T.J.Fuller · Post by **T.J.Fuller** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:24 pm

NY Chief wrote: So when they asked him why was he playing with JB he answered because Jeff INVENTED most of those cliche's.....

This is so true! I've been listening to alot of the Jeff Beck Group albums

in some places he is off in his own world of musical expermentation.

forget EVH claiming Clapton as an influence, he pulled alot of those sonic gymnastics from Jeff Beck, of course he added his own twist to it.

especially Jeff's whammy bar usage, which was more more of a sonic effect in the early years (1972-1977).

and the whole rhythmic guess what I'm going to do next type of soloing.

NY Chief · Post by **NY Chief** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:12 pm

Yeah, even Jimi credited JB with experimenting with feedback first.

What JB has taken whammy bar manipulation today is out of the park. Nobody is even close to what he is doing with that darn thang...

Tone Slinger · Post by **Tone Slinger** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:36 pm

T.J, I got that Beck/Hammer live album, just not the B,B&A import one the chief is talkin about. I'll listen to "Free Way Jam" though, to hear what you mentioned about.

You know, Beck is just about the only guitarist who EVERYBODY likes. Seriously, nobody talks bad about Beck. Hell, even Richie fuckin' Blackmore (he's like Mikey, he hates everything) always talked good and with great respect about him. This speaks volumes. Eddie may have really strived for that deep feel and soul of Clapton, but on the surface definately did rip more licks off of other's. Beck, Blackmore, and Uli Roth where people he definatly ripped licks off of. All three of those guy's were 'Whammy Fanatics' before he was.

T.J.Fuller · Post by **T.J.Fuller** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:39 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FuAZrsjYok

There is only ONE reason I posted the following link.

To demonstrate that there are Legendary Guitar Players and great guitar players.

Steve Lukather and Jeff Beck trade solos in this clip.

After Steve plays his 1,000,000 note solo.

Jeff steps in and plays 150 notes BUT, like jeff beck.

Moral of the story: Never attempt to steal the show from a Legend.

It will never work and you will always be remembered for looking like a fool,in front of 1,000's for trying.

yngwie308 · Post by **yngwie308** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:28 pm

I have the Live Japanese double CD set and the Jan Hammer Live LP, the only problem I had with BBA was Tim Bogert

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But the album has some great moments among the white boy soul singing

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Jeff played the Strat through Wired and it was white then.
I'm afraid I won't comment on EVH if you don't mind

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As far as playing in front of a legend..Gary Moore played with BB King and seemed to make BB feel the same way as when he heard Peter Green.

Jeff makes guitar playing exciting and fun to listen to.

yngwie308

Tone Slinger · Post by **Tone Slinger** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:06 am

So the White and bare guitar are the same. I thought so.

TJ, I know exactly what you were saying about the Lukather/Beck scenario. It takes a special person to not get caught up in that shit. I remember watching that Eric Clapton promoted 'Blues Festial' thing from like '04 I think. Lots of the biggies were there. When Santana and band took to the stage, Clapton 'guested' on one song. Well needless to say, Clapton was ON ! All that percussion, with the latin accents and all was just turnin that white boy on and he was wailing, playing more notes than he normally does. So what does Santana do ? Like the true spiritual dude he is (I relate him to David Carridine/Grass Hopper from the 70's 'Kung Fu') he lays back and try's not to mess it all up with his solo. He was aware that Clapton was 'tapped in' at that point more than he was, and wasnt gonna ruin the 'vibe' by trying to keep up with Eric's 'inspired' moment. Cool stuff

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T.J.Fuller · Post by **T.J.Fuller** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:46 am

yngwie308 wrote:As far as playing in front of a legend..Gary Moore played with BB King and seemed to make BB feel the same way as when he heard Peter Green.

Jeff makes guitar playing exciting and fun to listen to.

yngwie308

I'm not sure if you ever posted the BB King/G Moore of the Thrill is Gone.
But, it is a perfect lesson on sharing the stage with a Legend.

Gary is soloing perfectly to that song with passion,inspiration and the BB type of vibrato, as the perfect compliment.

I love how BB watches and claps at the end of the solo as to say..........job well done !!

I'll only say this about EVH... he only credits Beck with sharing with him how to keep a standard tremolo in tune.

when you can clearly hear a greater influence.

T.J.Fuller · Post by **T.J.Fuller** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:47 am

Tone Slinger wrote: I remember watching that Eric Clapton promoted 'Blues Festial' thing from like '04 I think. Lots of the biggies were there. When Santana and band took to the stage, Clapton 'guested' on one song. Well needless to say, Clapton was ON ! All that percussion, with the latin accents and all was just turnin that white boy on and he was wailing, playing more notes than he normally does. So what does Santana do ? Like the true spiritual dude he is (I relate him to David Carridine/Grass Hopper from the 70's 'Kung Fu') he lays back and try's not to mess it all up with his solo. He was aware that Clapton was 'tapped in' at that point more than he was, and wasnt gonna ruin the 'vibe' by trying to keep up with Eric's 'inspired' moment. Cool stuff .

TS, Again another example of 2 true Legends Knowing how to professionally share the spot light.

I have a VHS of Monty Python's The Policemans Other Ball

It has great live music on it- as well as comedy skits live

Sting live, doing a solo version of Message in a bottle - slower tempo and on a strat.

And...back to Jeff Beck.

Clapton/Beck Live doing a couple tunes

Clapton sings ....solos a little....but, let's Jeff do his thing

It fits....it's inspired....it's intense...more than anything....it's memorable!

yngwie308 · Post by **yngwie308** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:45 am

Steve Lukather had some great leadwork with Toto, Rosanna, for example, great Les Paul tone.
The overprocessed rack tones he later adopted gave him the weasel tone associated with overprocessing.
I have the tape of the Japanese festival with Beck, Santana and Lukather.
Steve has a lot of enthusiasm and is a great guy, but there is no dynamics in his tone or attack.
Gary Moore is very respectful in his approach to playing with all the blues greats he has played with, BB, Albert King, Albert Collins.
He was the same way with Peter Green, during the Blues For Greeny period.
I always wanted to see Jeff play with Gary Moore, but they know each other and Gary has admitted to Jeff being a great influence,re: Shapes of Things,but so far no projects together.
I have the tape of the GM Blues Alive, show with BB, Gary plays great.

yngwie308

Tone Slinger · Post by **Tone Slinger** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:22 pm

Ha, ha, ha.......'WEASIL' tone ! Thats a perfect description

. I agree with that. Steve did lose alot of tone over the yrs didnt he. The last thing I liked by him was some of that 'Cheech and Chong' stuff he did for that movie. Sounded like a 'no' floyd rose strat type sound. I also kinda liked the lionell Richie 'Running With The Night'. That had some cool stuff. But his tone was starting to get a bit too 'slick'.

I havent seen the B.B/Moore jam y'all are talking about. What I did see was something back in the earlier 90's, where Moore play's like 100 notes for every one that B.B played. I thought that regardless of the BROAD technical difference between the two, that Moore, was obviusly the FAR better guitarist. B.B may have had a few things he did before anyone else, like that quick vibrato he uses, or his feel with 2-4 note phrases, but hey, doing something FIRST doesnt alway's mean that it's the BEST.

yngwie308 · Post by **yngwie308** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:26 pm

Yea Billy, also Scott Gorham's tone on The One Night In Dublin, DVD with Gary Moore, is where I first coined the term "weasel tone"

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On the Gary Moore forum we came up with the Gorham boutique pedal, "Weaseltone".
It would instantly turn your guitar signal into a cheesy overprocessed rack,harmonized, toneless wonder. Works on a 1959 PAF, instantly turning it's sound into the finest Korean pickup

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The jam is from the same clip,"Since I Met You Baby and The Thrill Is Gone."
Some pay thousands for a weasel tone,to me it is digital noize.
yngwie308