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I have to set this up before I post this clip, for ALL van halen fans please be humbled and watch this clip !!

I will try and keep this short - but, in the late 80's my band had won a major battle of the bands in Ohio and we soon afterwards decided to get an agent and hit the east coast club circuit - long story short - We used to play in Norfolk VA
as part of our circuit - we were playing to large crowds but, one night we played literally no one showed up ...no one ??

the club owner let us leave --to go to a club called Anton's to go check out a local band whose guitar player was 15 years old at the time.

everyone was there,it seemed , packed wall to wall.

well this guitar player came out with shorter ( for the 80's ) bleach blond hair and the singer looked like richard simmons.

well we took our stabs and make jokes until they started playing...

unbelievable

the guitar players name was Scotty Mishoe

Please guys watch this clip of Scott a 13yrs old - he does a version of eruption at about 4 minutes in.

I know there are some great talent for young kids on you tube currently - when you find one video that tops
scott mishoe at age 13 back in 1985 mind you .....please let me know

be prepared to be humbled my VH friends enjoy ! ... one of the most incredible guitars I had ever witnessed live ever
and I saw him when he was 15 - he gave me some pointers and I truly didnt know where he was coming from...he took lessons from a berkley prof. starting at age 5.

he actually thought I was a good player --- Ha ! --- he was humble too!

watch it all

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ok here he is older and much polished - Awesome !

It's amazing all these great guitarists at such a young age and what happens to them? Even locally this one kid goes to Montery they call him (they as in all the greats) call him great..but you know it's the material ..If they don't have the ability to actually create a unique eruption all the technique and chops won't help...

Yep they can dance all over the fret board but can't seem to create anything unique and timeless

This is where EVH shines thru..look at the riffs he developed at such a young age that are timeless.

Exactly. It was never about the chops. It was always about the music. Whether you like it fast or slow, if it's mindless shredding I don't see the point.

Don't get me wrong, this guy plays ok, definitely not mindless scales up and down but he doesn't have "it".

well, I was hoping for a reply to the video so I could add this...

remember that clip was at 13.... no tools like today for tabbing eruption

2 years later this guy was a monster guitar player who could write!

When this guy was 15 he was doing Steve Vai ( more musical though )type stuff better than Vai in the context of a band with a singer.
piano style tapping before most and it was musically incredible.

his band had some awesome originals and they had these futuristic rock funk riffs like Extreme meets VH.

...and here is what happens next , they all get sucked into the Malmsteen / Vai school of instrumentalist thinking and they loose the fire and agression.

and this is why at the time(1987) I thought he had chops and skills , agressive playing , rhythm and songwriting ability to be
something huge as a guitarist.

trying to be like Vai and Malsteem in the 80's ended up being a very slippery slope for some incredible talent.

It will be cool to see who comes on the scene in the future as a real original , who sets our ears on fire !!!

Dude needs his own spot on the G3 tour fo sho! I actually think he's better than joe and vai personally from that technical crazy playin perspective.
He would make it huge if someone at a label thought they could make some $ off him-thats the bottom line. You shit and breath awesomeness all day-but if some dude can't make money on you your just out there floatin.

How do you think we even ever heard Ed and the band? Some dudee was listening and said-I am gonna get rich. If it weren't for that then I really believe the band would be blue collar locals that maybe still get together and jam sometimes. You really think if they couldn't make a livin at what they did they wouldn't been or become regular joes?

you must have listened to his clips from the Mike Varney album - it featured unknown guitarists

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In 1985 I was 15 years old, and a sophomore in high school. So was Shane Theriot, he was a few months younger than me.
He could play Eruption, Spanish Fly, and every other Van Halen song recorded (5150 wasn't yet released).
He gave me guitar lessons for $20 a month, showing me chords, songs like Dokken, etc.
His family moved away b/c the oilfield economy took a downturn. He graduated from Musicians Institute at the top of his class and studied with Scott Henderson. He's toured with and recorded with a lot of folks like the Neville Bros, Jewel, Boz Scaggs, and too many to mention. He's really embraced his Louisiana roots with his solo work, he jams regularly with George Porter Jr. and Zigaboo Modeliste of the Meters.

He definitely has/had the talent but as it has already been said, it's all about the music.

At 13, he was just raw and showing off, but notice the year when he was 13: 1985. Sure he was into EVH, but he was showing his bigger influence was hair metal, and by 1989 he was all in on that scene, and competing in that scene and getting noticed was gonna be mighty hard to pull off because there were a ton of guys like him who were already saturating the scene and if his band didnt make it by then, a couple years later the bubble would burst as grunge all but wiped out hair metal.

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Yeah guitar player used to have a "send in your tape and we'll post yer pic " section with Varney and that's where Yngwie first appeared...The Swedish guitarist with mesmerizing speed and chops...

Then Steve Vai and his Zappa transcribing ...Zappa takes him under his wing and the rest is history ..Satriani ..Steve Vai's guitar teacher...

True that bit about FATE dazzlingdino.

It also works the other way too with guitarists with great material but bad production ...kind of makes you wonder if Van Halen was a folk band would they have made it?...watch someone is going to find an unplugged song...and floor me. EvH always floors me.

dazzlindino wrote:TJ...for 13 that dude shreded...this was before malmsteen even broke out.....
Some of his other vids on youtube are just amazing!!
Seems he realy needed to meet a Dvid Lee to reel him in.......but fate is a strange beast!
Thanks for sharing......

trust me, at 15 his guitar solo where I saw him play jazz lines like Holdsworth, slap bass lines like Victor Wooten and then he put his guitar flat on the stage and played classical pieces like it was nothing using that technique Ed did on the 1984 tour w that flip -out-hold the -guitar horizontal gizmo. and I've seen/known similar players like Shawn Lane, Chastain, Zaza etc. I just think guy had huge potential.

I too have been playing clips from you tube of albums I didnt know he had - some of it gets a little repetitive but, some of it is just insanely musical and innovative.

Steve Vai is great no doubt but, i just can't listen to his music , it's too bizarre for me

I can listen to Scott's stuff , very very close to Holdsworth on some levels, shreddy ( because just seems to be what they do )but, musical.

I saw him way before overkill instrumentalization became the norm ... I think that is why he left an impression after all these years.

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dazzlindino wrote:TJ...for 13 that dude shreded...this was before malmsteen even broke out.....
Some of his other vids on youtube are just amazing!!
Seems he realy needed to meet a Dvid Lee to reel him in.......but fate is a strange beast!
Thanks for sharing......

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