I thought this guy was the next Van Halen...

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Re: I thought this guy was the next Van Halen...

Post by Marshall SL12301 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:20 am

I think scott is amazing but he does not have a thing on this kid! :shock: :shock: :shock:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... uBXRI9NyCY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Watch at least 3-4 vids of his(IF it takes that many! :lol: )
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Re: I thought this guy was the next Van Halen...

Post by dazzlindino » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:37 am

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I want my music waking up the dead...
Dont tell me to turn it down

if its not loud enough you must be really old...huh,what,what did you play?

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Post by dazzlindino » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:40 am

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I want my music waking up the dead...
Dont tell me to turn it down

if its not loud enough you must be really old...huh,what,what did you play?

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Re: I thought this guy was the next Van Halen...

Post by Tone Slinger » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:41 am

Didnt like it TJ, I'll take YOUR playing to his any day of the week :thumbsup:

Ed = MUSICALITY (inate 'musical' IQ)

Scotty Mishoe = TECHNICALITY (education)

It seems that technique (like education, associate, bachelors, masters, etc) is something that can be attained to make one believe they are getting better or smarter. It doesnt increase thier IQ though.

In other words your either musical or not. Those that arent so 'musical' seem to think that increasing thier technical (education) abilities increases thier musical (IQ). It doesnt work that way.
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Re: I thought this guy was the next Van Halen...

Post by OokraMoO » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:44 am

Yeah Dave Grohl said it in an interview I seen that pretty much sums it up

"I'm not a technical player at all, but I know what makes a good song."
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Re: I thought this guy was the next Van Halen...

Post by T.J.Fuller » Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:30 am

Tone Slinger wrote:Didnt like it TJ, I'll take YOUR playing to his any day of the week :thumbsup:
hahaha you are WAYY too kind ! ...and I always respect your input as always. I guess here is the lesson out of this all..

I posted his video at 13 because you can see the early aggressive and potential.probably what people were seeing when they called early vanhalen a junior Creem of sorts.... and he (EVH)stepped out of his box and did his own thing ( Thank God ! )

at 15 thru 17( Scott Mishoe) was way more impressive then because, it was all in a band context, but here is why good bands missed out on so many shots at getting signed. they rarely left their home state or they didn't write songs that appealled to the masses.As Dirty Cooter summed it up quite well in his earlier post. And if your tunes didn't draw the chicks ...well you were F***ed right there !!

and there is the slippery slope. I'm impressed with his technically playing after digging some recent songs from youtube that were a mix of Vai, Dixie Dregs and his own stuff...

but, maybe why you lean more towards my style is ... I tried the Yngwie thing for a day and realized I sucked at it :D

and so now I always think, play, write in a band context...

I just hope there is some youngster out there that masters everybody's music and says NOW here is my spin...look out !
can't wait for that.
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Re: I thought this guy was the next Van Halen...

Post by Good Guest » Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:59 am

T.J.Fuller wrote:
I just hope there is some youngster out there that masters everybody's music and says NOW here is my spin...look out !
can't wait for that.
That's pretty well the conclusion Zappa came too in his guitar essay.
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Post by vanhalen5150 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:25 pm

Drawing chicks.....exactly how Chad Kroeger laid out his plan. Like them or not, they have sold a shitload of records and consistanly pack arenas around the globe. Their first album is totally different. He changed the formula. A hybrid of almost Aerosmith and Metallica for red neck radio tunes. I'm not a fan but I think he's a genius.
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Re: I thought this guy was the next Van Halen...

Post by Marshall SL12301 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:57 pm

OokraMoO wrote:Yeah Dave Grohl said it in an interview I seen that pretty much sums it up

"I'm not a technical player at all, but I know what makes a good song."
I agree with that statement simply because i have witnessed a guy who can play a real good tune and all the people that hear it are groovin to it whereas i have also witnessed a guy with malmsteen like technique play and people who dont play guitar or any instrument are either bored after 5 mins or they walk away :mrgreen: A good tune will always win out over some techno monster chops from hell player. Look at angelo guy has technique out the wazoo BUT his songs suck donkey balls! :lol:
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Re: I thought this guy was the next Van Halen...

Post by Star*Guitar » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:11 pm

Here is a clip of him today. Why isn't this guy playing arenas? :what: At least Joe Banamassa is finally getting his due. :rock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n14JKI6c ... ure=relmfu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: I thought this guy was the next Van Halen...

Post by Good Guest » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:13 pm

I look at the common factors ...1-good technique 2-good music, songs etc. 3-Good tone..put all 3 together you get the Hendrix the Blackmore the Clapton the Beck the EVH the Zappa the Yngwie the Billy the Brian etc ...lacking in any one of those areas and yer not up to snuff legend wise and to make matters more complicated every one of those guitar whizzs had something unique in the number 3 department to make their tone their OWN tone that no one could touch...Hendrix had Roger..Ritchie had Dawk..Clapton was god ..Beck had Clapton ,Page ..EVH had jose now D F...Zappa had the UMRkitchen...Billy had his gronkulator tech Brian had his Electronic Engineer dad..yep they all had someone helping them design their very own unique tone but starts from the guy with the axe.

The other route like vanhalen 5150 was pointing out is the genius route where you become your own production company your own studio and your own marketing conglomerate and put out catchy tunes with state of the art equipment....even Abba pulled that off, ..now I wonder if Nikelback is on the stock market like Abba was? Think even Zappa had his barking pumpkin company... you'd think with the internet some smart cookies would be figuring out ways to capitalize...instead it's almost like sound pollution..reverbnation . myspace, facebook etc copy cat clone heaven wrecking it all diluting the industry .

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Re: I thought this guy was the next Van Halen...

Post by stef » Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:36 pm

Star*Guitar wrote:Here is a clip of him today. Why isn't this guy playing arenas? :what: At least Joe Banamassa is finally getting his due. :rock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n14JKI6c ... ure=relmfu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
because he's a soulless shredder... the thing he does with the guitar is not music IMO, should have practiced kung fu or worked in the circus or something. There's nothing VH-like in his karate shredding :bang:

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Re: I thought this guy was the next Van Halen...

Post by T.J.Fuller » Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:14 pm

ok here is my last attempt to get this dude this some respect :peace:

so here is his guitar solo from 1989 ( so he is 17 now ) remember I saw him in this same club in 88-87 ?

shredding wasn't in the guitarist vocabulary yet , we reffered to him as the kid whose leads sounded like a" pinball machine on acid "

keep it in perspective - 1989 - 17 years old

I thought he was more amazing in 1987

So this is how fast necked , thin as a paint stick necked , Ibanez guitars and Yngwie screwed it up for everyone who jumped on his(Yngwie's) neo classical coat tails.

but, I have to admit (1989) he is now throwing too many notes out there for my taste.

last clip ..promise

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Re: I thought this guy was the next Van Halen...

Post by Thorny » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:10 pm

T.J.,
I can appreciate the guys skills..Hes got loads of it. I love to shred as much as the next guy,...However I always apprecitate a shredder who breaks it up with some tasty stuff in between which makes the shreddin sound better. Im not posting this to say this guy is better than Scott. But this is what I'm gettin at...

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Re: I thought this guy was the next Van Halen...

Post by motorhead » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:12 pm

I think it is in your imagination.

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