G12M speaker shootout video. Celestion, Scumback, ASW

[motrock]

I liked the reissue too. I thought the ASW sounded a bit muddy on some notes.

Which cones are in that reissue. I've seen both 6402 and 1777 cones in them.

I wished I still had the ones that I sold you. I am kicking myself now. I would love to have a cab with more of those 6402s

[somethin'else]

I liked the reissue too. I thought the ASW sounded a bit muddy on some notes.

Which cones are in that reissue. I've seen both 6402 and 1777 cones in them.

"G12T-75 - 1777
G12M - 1777
G12M heritage - 11914
EVH - 11914
G12C - 53H1777
Alnico Blue - 53H1777
early 90s G12M - 6402 (the same as 53H1777 per Duncan Boniface, former
principal engineer for Celestion)
5150/6505 - 169"

...notes I kept in my phone from a couple years ago! doesn't say "chinese G12M" though
did chinese do the ri's having 6402 in the 90s? I thought they were only UK

My TX bud bought a brand new quad of china greens and said "he wasn't falling for nothing else, they're new and perfect, I'm gonna put my OWN damn thumbprint on 'em!"

[motrock]

I liked the reissue too. I thought the ASW sounded a bit muddy on some notes.

Which cones are in that reissue. I've seen both 6402 and 1777 cones in them.

"G12T-75 - 1777
G12M - 1777
G12M heritage - 11914
EVH - 11914
G12C - 53H1777
Alnico Blue - 53H1777
early 90s G12M - 6402 (the same as 53H1777 per Duncan Boniface, former
principal engineer for Celestion)
5150/6505 - 169"

...notes I kept in my phone from a couple years ago! doesn't say "chinese G12M" though
did chinese do the ri's having 6402 in the 90s? I thought they were only UK

My TX bud bought a brand new quad of china greens and said "he wasn't falling for nothing else, they're new and perfect, I'm gonna put my OWN damn thumbprint on 'em!"

I find that interesting on the G12Ms from the early 90s? Same as the G12C?

What about the G1265s? What are they?

[dirtycooter]

Mot, my made in england reissues are 53h1777's. So this is the same as the 6402 english??
Fwiw the chinese ones I had were 53h1777 cones too but sounded noticeabley different and not as bright as my english ones.
So I dunno if cones alone make all the difference then. Same cone codes-definitly two different tones. So something other than cone codes make a difference. Not to mention the chinese were less loud.

[bmf5150]

George, what was pete favorite?

[rgorke]

George, what was pete favorite?

I don't think Pete was there. He just used a DI track that Pete did.

[Roe]

I liked the 67, the RI and the PVC (although the PVC could have benefited from a little more mids and bass possibly)

[fivecoyote]

George, tx much for posting, a big effort to do that. My ears liked the reissues and the Scums the most. Would be a toss up between those two for me, but of course have to hear them in person. Re: the ASWs, I agree w others I didn't like them in the top clip but did in your second clip. They sounded more old AC/DC-ish to me, if that makes sense, also old ZZ Top-ish. Maybe that's what you meant by taming the amp a bit. Tx again, and of course the amps sound frickin' killer!

[jerrydyer]

wow, very useful vid.

[eljodon]

I liked the Celestion Heritage and Scumback M75 the best.The Heritage has a nice top end and the M75 a nice midrange.

[parkhead]

george could we see shots of the front of the cones

the cone dope on the g12m25 reissue is different older speakers ...these days its rubber/silicone
in the early 70's it was thin latex ... the 20's had none

Big difference right there all else being equal

p

[VelvetGeorge]

Sorry, I don't think I took pics of the cone side. I'll make sure to do that if we do a G12H shootout this Spring. I will also include a close mic and volume match the clips!

george

[Brad737]

George,
GREAT Shootout! I was kind of surprised by how close most of them sounded. I liked the vintage Greenies the most. That's kind of obvious though. They're the sound that hooked me when I was younger. But most of them sounded really nice. I must say, the ASW was the only one I didn't really care for very much. It sounded like the proverbial wet blanket was draped over the cab. After the vintage Greenie, I really liked the Scumback. But the Heritage and even the Chinese sounded good.