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[kennzo5150]

Wow ! Throw in a flux capacitor and you've got it covered.

[dirtycooter]

The mixer trick for verb and delay
This is gonna be long

For the old classic verb tone
Head to dry cab
The heads sexond speaker send hits the c.a.e. and dead ends-the c.a.e. feeds line level to the palmer
The palmer pga05 can take speaker or a line level-I have its switch set to accept line level
Palmer does its thing-settings in the pics-and it provides two identical signals that are palmerized
#1 palmer feed goes to its own channel as a raw dry uneffected feed and #2 goes straight into the timefactor
feed #1 in the mixer channel #1 has its mute button depressed-it passes no signal to the mixer output goin to the amp
feed #2 goes into and through the timefactor-mono in/out
inside the time factor there are settings in utility for killdry and bypass
choose killdry-effect only 100% wet
bypass choose dsp and fx-so when it switches off it fades out the echo on bypass and mutes any signal escaping other than spillover fading echoes
Now-the trick
On this particular mackie mixer there is a switch labeled pre/post for the auxillary loop
On pre it takes the signal of that channel "pre-fader" or "pre-mute"-this is the setting you want as it will send only signal to tje aux loop only and it won't be effected by the channel level being down or off or muted but the auxillary send level knob will allow proper signal level to go to the aux loop
channel #1 with the dry feed goes to auxillary all the time to a reverb also set 100% wet.
When you switch on the timefactor the delay comes on producing signal and is sent only to the aux reverb the same as channel #1
But remember when you bypass the timefactor itsimply fades away with spill over and thats ot-it passes no more signal
now back to dry feed and the reverb its feeding in the loop
The auxillary send leaves the send jack-hits my pitchfactor in mono and comes out mono. The pitchfactor is on all the time and is killdry just like the tfactor. Here all i am doing is delayin the dry feed exactly 100ms no feedback no repeats-its just dry sound delayed exactly 100ms late
this is your "predelay" for the reverb like they use to do in the studio in the old days around the time of the late 70s
this feed your reverb that is again also 100% wet. Just be zure in your reverb program to turn off your predelay if it has a predelay control-cheap verbs usually don't have this control for predelay
so now you have the capability to create that slappy echo/verb like vh1 has-you will find that if fx are used and set up great its mind blowing
so you have this reverb return but in stereo to the aux return and out the main sends and out of you r cabs
so your dry cab is honkin then you have this reverb comin from your fx cabs thats creates an effect of three things
It should create a doubling, slap echo, reverb. Remember eds right side sounds lime this reverb thats seems to echo, seems to double, seems to be almost an echo, but its so verby that its the craziest verb you ever heard.
Now adjust in the main volume and balance the wet side against the cab with the mixers over oitput knob-this is your wet effect vs dry balance. But your dry reference IS the Dry cab. The wet reference is the wet cabs
Now in the time factor you can set up a regular echo at about 300ms with some repeats. The tfactor allows you to store preset levels so you can have one program super loud long delay like cathedral or a med loud or lower echo effect.
Each channel in the mixer has its own aux send level knob-this is how you balance how much of each dry feed or delay feed will go to the reverb.
Remember we muted channel 1? Channel two is not muted

[dirtycooter]

So if channel two is not muted this means those repeats are comin directly out the mixer outputs and into the mix
simply think your repeats are too dry and bland sounding?? Use your delay channel #2 aux level knob to wettin it in the same slappy verb we created earlier.
So now you have a wet slappy verb opposite side as dry and when your repeats kick in from your delay channel they will be heard alongside the reverb and also slightly bled off into the verb so the reverb is triggered to make that slappy verb on the echo repeats.
be sure to be very sparing in the amount of verb you apply to the delay as it is not as wet at all as the dry feed which is buried completely in verb. You want some dry delay repeats with a touch of verb here.
Lastly in the pitchfactor you can take that 100ms delay and use 949 mode and detune it very very slightly in pitch to. 998
This gives that slappy verb more of a doubling fattening effect while also being verby and it does the same to your repeats of what ever delay you kick on in channel 2.
A+B the sound setuned and not detuned and I guarantee you will fall in love with the ever so slightly detuned verb
it just sounds.......bigger richer and deeper with detune than without it

There is alot goin on betwenn the tfactor the pfactor the verb and the balance of dry and wet goin on. None of those things possible without each other-the mixer and fx all work to make a whole
It enables you to truly balance alll these things against the dry tone coming from the dry cab and like I said-there is not one bit of dry actually ever coming out of the wet cabs
I stumbled onto all this and tried this after really thinkin about the studio chain, the productiin and engineering that was done not to just the sound but creating the reverb and stuff as well-while I don't have an echo chamber the verb i have simulates it as do all the other fx. Anx the eventide is the eventide they probably used for predelaying the verb chamber-they were around then and were also used as a top notch super clean delay. Why not use it for verbs predelay?
And most of all that cheap ass litttle mackie is my studio console that brings all of it together


Told you it would be long

[dirtycooter]

With this particular mixer you can mute and shut down a channel yet feed thing through the auxillary loop and out the main oitputs. You can't do this with alot of other mixers out there. Mackie seems to be the only one that does the pre post aux loop thing and its a great idea
The final thing and most fricken important?
Ed used two echoplexes and layered them-one seems to be a slight slap on all the time and the second one is out there longer in places at about 300ms-easy to do serially in front of an amp input with two delays in a stompbox or echoplex all comin outta one cab and remember the reverb was put on post mic of that. But post amp how do you pull that off so sotwo delays layer the same way? And put reverb on it? This is about the only way to do it post amp. So it not only gives the verb effect but also simulates the echoplexes arraingment. Along with the huge psyco acoustical left to right separation of the fx cabs and the bone dry one its just amazing width, depth, and maximum use of everything possible effect wise. No one processor alone can achieve this in this arraingment.
The 100ms and 300 ms combined layered times I have to thank pete thorn in his clip where he plays ATBL through that friedman amp and he eluded to those times of the two delays.

5150 onward is much easier to set up and more logical in its signal chain. But thats another story.

[7string]

Thanks for taking the time to explain that. It's really a big help.