I thought this guy was the next Van Halen...

[motorhead]

You obviously didnt know alot of guitar players then. Dont fret. Seriously this whole thing is fucked. You got guys that knock Zakk and couldnt touch him with a 20 ft pole and you got guys who wanna be EVH so bad same thing. Who cares I dont. Thing is I was there and you guys must not get it. It / the music/guitar playing is a rehearsed screenplay. Nobody serious in the biz is do anything off the cuff. It is all rehearsed. So go practice your your 15 minutes of fame and put it on youtube.

[T.J.Fuller]

T.J.,
I can appreciate the guys skills..Hes got loads of it. I love to shred as much as the next guy,...However I always apprecitate a shredder who breaks it up with some tasty stuff in between which makes the shreddin sound better. Im not posting this to say this guy is better than Scott. But this is what I'm gettin at...

funny you post this Thorny ( bye the way, this is more of my idea of a world clash shredder these days ) but, I would have never heard of Guthrie G. if someone had not shared this same clip in the Artists section a while back.

He is so awesome and tasteful !!!

I wonder if saxaphone players ever transcipe his solos to broaden their musical vocabulary. Serious musicianship there.

[vanhalen5150]

I can certainly appreciate his talent. Lots of practice and determination. By the end of the 80's there was just so many guys doing this type of playing. Every shrapnel record now sounded the same. I remember in 1989 I bought an Ibanez RG560. I wore the frets off that thing. Still have it somewhere. I dont remember any of the shit I spent countless hours practicing.
That last vid from 89....the cloths, the hair, the boots. It was the end of that era. In a sense, this very type of music killed itself. You either were a shred machine or you were not a guitar player. Little did everyone know 1 year later a 4 chord song called "Smells Like Teen Spirit" got kids banging their heads on the front of the stage more than any of the shredders could have ever hoped to.
I remember the first time I heard Bad Motor Finger....I thought it was cool... and there was no lead guitar! Go fiqure.

[whopperplate]

T.J.,
I can appreciate the guys skills..Hes got loads of it. I love to shred as much as the next guy,...However I always apprecitate a shredder who breaks it up with some tasty stuff in between which makes the shreddin sound better. Im not posting this to say this guy is better than Scott. But this is what I'm gettin at...

funny you post this Thorny ( bye the way, this is more of my idea of a world clash shredder these days ) but, I would have never heard of Guthrie G. if someone had not shared this same clip in the Artists section a while back.

He is so awesome and tasteful !!!

I wonder if saxaphone players ever transcipe his solos to broaden their musical vocabulary. Serious musicianship there.

Huge tone in that guys fingers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbm0hBi0 ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Reminds me of that recent EVH interview; the way his playing is so articulate, clean and clear.

[Tone Slinger]

That was GREAT Thorny ! That was indeed a great example of technical prowess, combined with musicality. Glad to see 'ol Guthrie GROWING and maturing as a player. That was great tone, feel, time, etc . Greg Howe can combine these elusive qualities as well. Cornfords sound GREAT

TJ, I agree, and see what your post was meant be. That first clip you posted of Scotty was showing ALOT of possibilities, concerning a musical future. It didnt pan out for him in the long run, but nobody knew it then, huh ? Hell, he had some success and recognition, more than most. I always thought David Scott (Tuff Luck) was a MF'er. He's still making a living at it, but never had huge success.

[BrownSound1]

Growing up in the West Tennessee/Memphis area, Shawn Lane (RIP) was the guy everyone thought would explode. He got snatched up by Black Oak Arkansas in his teens, and I'm not sure if it helped or hurt him. Shawn was as fast as anyone I ever saw, including Yngwie and all of those guys, but honestly I could just never get into his music. He was a very nice guy the few times I met him (in the 90's).

There is a guy here in Huntsville, Alabama named Dave Anderson, who used to be in Brother Cane and currently plays in Atlanta Rhythm Section. In high school Dave could do dead on EVH, and it made everyone sick.

[rgalpin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGreKTkG ... ure=relmfu

wicked

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zca9aAmM ... ure=relmfu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Crazy good to the point of stupid. Stupid sick good and crazy wow!

[leadguy]

One of the first Rock shred solos has to be from "Rock Around The Clock".

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mZLpDuuf40[/youtube]

Actually it's from the even earlier 1952 "Rock This Joint"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQyQIrlIVL0[/youtube]

Notice how the solo fits into the song(s).

Tab for the solo if anyone is interested http://www.the-jime.dk/Rockabilly_Guita ... k_Solo.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Check out the end run with the same chromatic pattern played on all 6 strings, sort of like what Ed tends to do sometimes, using the same patterns on different strings.
Also the use of open strings in licks.

These things were already in Country/Bluegrass/Jazz and being used by great players.

Just goes to show nothing much is really new, it's just the way someone does it and puts it all together.

Ed's opening Eruption hammer ons using open strings are really just a Bluegrass banjo type of lick and it's at the start of the 2nd I'm The One solo as well.

Shredding for the sake of shredding might attract some guitar players but not the vast sea of humanity loitering the earth.

Shredders that just shred end up mostly playing to an audience of other guitar players.

Ed had Dave and without Dave and all of his showbiz BS, I don't think Ed would have got that far.

Ed had one eye on commercial radio and one eye on more complex Rock/music.

Ed's riffs are pretty commercially orientated and catchy and his solos do work in the context of the songs and Dave etc.

If Ed was just a hired hand or releasing his own instrumental stuff and maybe also singing lead, then it would have turned out differently.

Ed's solo stuff to date hasn't exactly been that great.

The 1980s shredders coming off Blackmore and Ed's etc 1970s playing, lost track of the song and just ended up shredding for the sake of shredding and it all got really blase, and then Nirvana happened, and I think it needed to happen and bring Rock back to being mainly about the songs, because shredding had been taken to the nth degree and the songs were mostly all repeated crap and even Ed said that shredding had left the song behind and the solos had become pointless in his Dweezil interview in the 90s and Ed was/is a big fan of Nirvana btw.

[Tone Slinger]

I liked tone and phrasing. Dug Michael Schenker (Lights Out !), EVH ('Mean Street'), Lynch ( 'In My Dreams'), David Scott, etc. I was aware that a certain level of technical ability was needed, but I was also aware that I had a STYLE that didnt fair well with 'WEEDLY WEEDLY WEEE'. I absorbed Malmsteen, but couldnt help but notice that Uli Roth had already basically done/had that musical aspect of Malmsteen (Scorpions 'In Trance' or 'Sails of Sharon' etc), regardless of Malmsteens 'faster time'.

I remember PURPOSLY not blowing away other players, in a TECHNICAL sense, so that I could offer a more MUSICAL statement. There were times that I felt like 'Kung Fu' (David Carridene), in that I would let young shredders SHRED till thier hearts content, while I would try and play more musically, offering phrasing, vibrato, etc. I basically let others 'out shred' me in head cuttin scenario's (though I actually had superior technical runs, but was restraining) so that I could prove a point. It didnt work though .

I came to realize that fast, technical prowess is GREATLY admired by guy's with competitive/testosterone driven purposes/reasons.

[fivecoyote]

TJ, thanks for sharing this stuff. Ed obviously is one in a zillion, so any comparisons are kinda unfair. Scott is a great technical player, but I can't whistle/sing any of the stuff he played except for the stuff when he was youngest. That's where Ed/Dave shine, that simple among the complex or making the complex be simple, whatever it is.

Also have to say that after jamming with my son the drummer for a long time now, that's a completely different way to "practice"/cop a vibe than just wheedling on your own, like I did for many, many years. I'd argue it's better. If you can't find a groove around the snare, it sucks. Vibe just isn't there. I think this was a big plus for Ed -- Ed having a groove, Al and Dave finding the groove and exploiting it -- and a big absence for guys like Scott Mishoe, though of course I don't know, just speculating. Also think the Young bros must jam with a drummer when writing. It's just there.

[T.J.Fuller]

TJ, thanks for sharing this stuff. Ed obviously is one in a zillion, so any comparisons are kinda unfair

To bring this all back around full circle from the start of the thread, it started with ... I thought this guy could be next big thing..

The year I thought that was back in 87-89 - nobody knew at that time there would literally be 1,000s jumping on the sweep arpeggio and million note a minute bandwagon.

so back then all you naysayers would've thought the same thing but, not now .... we all know what happened in music now !!
geezz some of you guys need to lighten up ...you missed the whole point...

This might be a good topic for that killer blog of your's 5coyote !

the world's greatest unknown shredders.....

Meanwhile, Malcolm and Angus sit back and laugh to themselves and say , " stupid kids ..we gave them the million dollar formula with Back in Black and they all missed it"

[fivecoyote]

Zactly, AC/DC, a formula that no one I don't think can replicate -- why is that?

[T.L.]

Wow! Some got it....some ain't ( I ain't).. .