Early Billy Gibbons Tone - Jordan (Sho-Sound) Bosstone?

[Krinkle]

As usual, trying to cop early ZZTOP tone. I just built the Sho-Sound version of the Jordan Bosstone. Made in Nashville version.

Schematic
http://analogguru.an.ohost.de/193/schem ... sstone.gif" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is as close as I've ever gotten. Let me know what you think, of the tone that is, I know I should learn the songs better but I'm too excited about the tone. I am trying to upload a bunch more clips but Photobucket is slow as molasses.

I just recorded a bunch of clips to get an idea of how close I am. This pedal is great. Between the amp settings, Les Paul controls and pedal controls, I really feel like I can get all of the early BFG tones. You'll see me reach back with my pick hand to tweak the knobs.

It's still on a bread board to tweak as needed. I originally had monster radio station interference but was able to add a 150 Ohm resistor between the Attack pot and the input cap and a 500pF cap from Q1 base to emitter and it got rid of it without changing the tone. Now I just have an annoying buzz that is pretty loud, but I'm hoping it might go away or lessen once I put this in a pedal enclosure.

One of my very fav's, Brown Sugar. I can tell that I could have tweaked the knobs better, and the picking of the open B and E is very tricky to get the right snap but not be too bright and over fuzzed. Maybe I should have plucked them with my 2nd and 3rd fingers instead of picking them.

Brown Sugar
http://s793.photobucket.com/user/Darrin ... sort=3&o=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Adding clips as they upload. Edit, all done.

Bedroom Thang
http://s793.photobucket.com/user/Darrin ... sort=3&o=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Neighbor Neighbor
http://s793.photobucket.com/user/Darrin ... sort=3&o=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just Got Back From Baby's (not so good playing)
http://s793.photobucket.com/user/Darrin ... sort=3&o=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tush
http://s793.photobucket.com/user/Darrin ... a.mp4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thunderbird (Another song I don't know how to play properly)
http://s793.photobucket.com/user/Darrin ... b.mp4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nasty Dogs and Funky Kings
http://s793.photobucket.com/user/Darrin ... sort=3&o=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Whisky n Mama
http://s793.photobucket.com/user/Darrin ... sort=3&o=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Down Brownie
http://s793.photobucket.com/user/Darrin ... sort=3&o=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

La Grange (yes I know it was supposedly recorded with a Strat)
http://s793.photobucket.com/user/Darrin ... sort=3&o=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[HTH]

Sounds great, would love to see the schematic - the one you linked won't work (blank page).

[Krinkle]

Sounds great, would love to see the schematic - the one you linked won't work (blank page).

Thanks, I'm very excited as I can already see from my recordings that it can get a lot better. I had too much fuzz on some songs, and I plan on learning them better, I love these songs.

Try this link and scroll down until you find it.

http://analogguru.an.ohost.de/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I should add that once I get the pedal made and get rid of all of the little noises, I can share my Mouser project, which will have every part needed to make the pedal, except for the pcb.

[bigsmitty]

sounds cool except for the buzz hope you get it figured out

[kennzo5150]

Shitamightydang son ! That's some fine tone right there ... Keep us posted on this build. I want one Fo sho !

[awangotango]

Nice playing man. but am I missing something regarding the tone? You've got a nice 4 holer sitting behind you and the pedal only thins out that tone, as all pedals do. Ditch it and tweek the amp circuit a touch to get that upper mid thing the pedal is giving you and you'll have 'that tone' but meatier, as it is on the albums.

[kennzo5150]

I would say he's totally on the right track. The rev always used fuzz pedals. Still does .

[kennzo5150]

What amp you runnin this through ?

[Krinkle]

Nice playing man. but am I missing something regarding the tone? You've got a nice 4 holer sitting behind you and the pedal only thins out that tone, as all pedals do. Ditch it and tweek the amp circuit a touch to get that upper mid thing the pedal is giving you and you'll have 'that tone' but meatier, as it is on the albums.

Thanks, I really should learn the songs better, but I'm always messing with the tone instead of learning songs! The tone is affected by the camera, I always lose a lot of low end when I listen back to the clips. The amp is a Metroamp 12000 series, and with this pedal it is the meatiest tone I have ever heard, not thin at all in the room. I have a Focusrite Scarlett so I'll record it properly soon.

I just put the pedal in an aluminum Bud Box enclosure to see if it will get rid of the noise. I didn't even wire in the footswitch yet. I just got it finished and was only able to turn it on for 30 seconds before I had to leave and go out on Saturday night, but it sounded very promising. It was on a breadboard and look like a dog puked it out, so I wasn`t surprised that it was noisy.

I don't know when I'll be able to get back to it as we've lost power since late Saturday night due to the ice storm here in Toronto. I'm running on generator, there are 250,000 homes here that have been without power for days, getting close to a state of emergency if they don't get it up and running soon. Of course the shopping malls have had power since Sunday.

[Krinkle]

I would say he's totally on the right track. The rev always used fuzz pedals. Still does .

It really does sound accurate in the room. I'm surprised I haven't heard about this pedal for the Revs' tone yet. I've had or built other pedals that came close but this is the first one that does all 3, lows, mids and highs properly. My homemade Supa Fuzz was pretty good but the highs were too thin, and it was super hissy. The mids in this pedal are absolutely killer, then again the lows and highs are great too.

I'm blown away by this circuit. I really hope boxing it up gets rid of the noise because if not, it's unusable. Not much hiss at all, but wicked AM radio and lower RF noise, the aggressive windy type noise, and ground hum/buzz from the one on the breadboard. For the 30 seconds I was able to try on Sat night it sounded pretty good, plus I realized that I had the Metroamp set too dirty, and it may have been the cause for some, or a lot of the noise.

I can't wait to get back to this and find out if the noise is gone, but don't know when that will be, see my other post about the ice storm wreaking havoc here in TO.

[Krinkle]

What amp you runnin this through ?

Sorry for so many replies to my own thread. Setup is this;

94 LP with a SD Pearly Gates PUP in the bridge, all songs bridge PUP except JGBFB's, neck PUP for that one
Sho-Sound BossTone clone
Hi input of Bright channel of 12000 Metroamp, built from a kit, 1959 spec with LarMar PPIMV set at about 1 o'clock
16 Ohm 200W resistive dummy load and Rockstah's voltage divider pot to set the output to 0dB to run line level FX
Eventide Timefactor (not used in this clip, takes the mono signal in and outputs stereo)
Intelliverb for a little plate reverb
VHT 2502 power amp, 50W a side, EL34's
Marshall cab wired in stereo with 2 Celestion G12M-25's (6402 cones) on the left side and 2 G12H30's (55Hz) on the right side

Even though I listed all of my stuff, it doesn't really affect the tone. The setup is essentially a LP into a BT into a 1959 running greenbacks. I would imagine I'm in the Revs' ballpark when it comes to the head and speakers.

Recorded with a Toshiba Camileo camcorder.

[Krinkle]

UPDATE

Finally finished the pedal. 5 days without power due to a stupid ice storm kept me from verifying if it worked well or not.

Very happy to report that the AM radio noise is gone, and I didn't even add the extra components required to tame it when I had the circuit on the bread board.

Also, The buzz that I was getting is coming from my Les Paul. Not happy to find that out, I had suspected it for a while now. Now that I have circuit in a pedal, I don't have the knobs cranked and it's not as bad, but it's there and getting amplified by the pedal. I tested with a couple other guitars and no buzz.

Also, very little hiss, surprisingly small amount for a fuzz pedal.

Here are some pics, new clips to follow, I'm putting Gibson Historic pots in the LP and I'll do what it takes to quiet the guitar when I'm in there.

Circuit on breadboard. Wow, was this ever noisy, I was afraid the pedal was going to be unusable.

http://s793.photobucket.com/user/Darrin ... 5.jpg.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Finished, forgive the cheesy name, just having fun. This is not spam, I am not a builder and have no intention of selling these, I will share info if anybody wants to make one

http://s793.photobucket.com/user/Darrin ... sort=3&o=3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Made sure I had a hard ground to the enclosure, see the screw next to the jack

http://s793.photobucket.com/user/Darrin ... sort=3&o=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I was very careful with the layout, could be a little better but it works fine, didn't even need shielded wire

http://s793.photobucket.com/user/Darrin ... sort=3&o=5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PCB close up

http://s793.photobucket.com/user/Darrin ... sort=3&o=6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[fivecoyote]

SICK man! Awesome! Gotta git me one...

[kennzo5150]

Oh man I gotsta make one of these pedals ! Could you forward the info and a parts list please ?

[Krinkle]

Oh man I gotsta make one of these pedals ! Could you forward the info and a parts list please ?

Keep in mind that this is just a Jordan Bosstone Sho-Sound clone, nothing new. I set up a project in Mouser, every part except the pcb. PM me your email and I'll send it to you tomorrow. There are some extra parts in there, I'll help you figure it out.

I tried recording some new clips, I'm getting better but still have a ways to go, wish I had better mics, I used a 57, BG used a very expensive condenser apparently. Here are some clips that I did. I ended up turning up some bass after hearing them (Beer Drinkers), some of them could have used a little more gain too (Cheap Sunglasses). I tend to start out tame and then add what I need instead of going full bore and ending up with too much of everything. I don't mind putting these up even though I could do better, let's me look back later and see what I've learnt.

Of course it still sounds better in the room, more like my previous noisy clips, without the noise, but I'm going to keep recording until I get it as close to live sounding as possible. Recording with close mics always sounds, well, too close. More open in the room.

No effects added, I kept it dry to try to get a feel for what I have here. Gibson Historic pots with a taper close to a 59 helped me get the backed off clean tone between the CS solos. All clips bridge position SD Pearly Gates, volume on 10 (except for clean part of CS, volume at 4), tone on 6 and a half or so. Metroamp 12000, 6402 greenbacks. Larmar PPIMV, not using a huge amount of volume.

Beer Drinkers
https://soundcloud.com/krinkle66/bdn2

Messing around with Cheap Sunglasses type outro, plus a little of Got Me Under Pressure for kicks
https://soundcloud.com/krinkle66/cheap- ... outro-comp

Cheap Sunglasses solos
https://soundcloud.com/krinkle66/csn2

Another Beer Drinkers
https://soundcloud.com/krinkle66/bd3