MK II 1987 or JMP/JCM 800 MV

[maltone]

Hello guys, this is a bit of a noob question, I only know bits and pieces. But, I found this amazing video by Filipo, AKA Solodallas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LMljLcN ... e=youtu.be

That's a MKII 50W 1987 amp he's playing through. I have no idea what speakers might be in that cab, but... can you get that same tone with say a 77-79 JMP MV, or an early JCM 800 MV?

I know what the 1987 requires a good amount of volume, MUCH louder than I'd ever need to play with. The 2204 is probably a lot more practical, but do they sound the same?

Thanks.

[Tone Slinger]

I assuming he has 25 watt celestions (Greenbacks, creambacks, black backs ?). I think that you can CERTAINLY approximate that tone at ALOT more managable volumes with a jmp or jcm 2204. As far as nailing it like that, well, you would have to mic and record it and listen back to it,just as we have with this clip.

[maltone]

Funny, just the other day after watching this, pushed my DSL-100 to about 7 on the volume, crunch channel on, gain at about 2-2.5. I NEVER play it this way, it's just so damn loud.

But, I copied the same settings he did in the video,
pres 0,
treble 4,
middle 4
bass 7

And it sounded damn close, close enough anyway. I think I need an attenuator more than anything else.

[Tone Slinger]

I think you'll be ok at any volume with your DSL

[herbvis]

I love how that guy gets down when hes rockin!

[maltone]

Herbvis, a few people have made fun of him, snide comments, "you play like Angus" etc. I thought, "YEAH.... AND???"

The guy is an amazing player, no question about it. I WISH I could play like that. He has Angus' fluidity down to the letter. It's all in his groove, timing, hesitation, his blues etc. I have to commend him for demystifying all gear, tone, sound etc of AC/DC. He approaches it like a scientist, and he's BANG ON, every time, GREAT ears also.

So Solo, good on you dude.

[neikeel]

No idea why people should deride someone who plays the guitar well with a passion, he enjoys himself and shares this passion with others in an interesting and informative way.

[herbvis]

I wasn't putting him down at all. I do love watching him rocking out when he plays

[beaulieu]

Yea This guy is good! Just never understood why people try to be a lot like someone else? I could see If one played in a Tribute band, or was inspiring too. I see lots of people on You Tube and right away it is obvious who they like. Once I saw a Guy trying to play and act like Zakk Wylde. I just don't get it. I guess when they pull it off its better then the ones that don't. Just think it would be cooler if they did their own thing. Then again if they do a good enough job and the "real" person is sick and they need a stand in they might get the gig! We all know how many people TRY to cop EVH and if EVH himself saw it he would not like it at all. I think a little copying is O.K. but some just go way overboard.(EVH) Just think, If everyone copied we would never have any greats to look forward to. I mean It's not easy to copy someone else well and If one can imagine all the time is wasted and they might have some greatness in themselves that they will never figure out. This is just my thoughts and I am not busting on anyone. I even enjoy watching some of the videos but I don't really see the point. Then again if they enjoy themselves that all that really matters. Just my thoughts. BTW Here I am, back in 97 trying to pull off EVH for Halloween.
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[neikeel]

I wasn't putting him down at all. I do love watching him rocking out when he plays

I didn't take it that way
There have been others

[maltone]

beaulieu, I hear you. I often don't even know what I'm talking about... I'm a drummer, not even a guitar player. I sit in my basement with my headphones or speakers, and turn my Marshall up to 2 on the volume, a hint of gain, and try to riff my way be ear to a lot of those songs. But I understand guitar players, I'm in awe of what they can do.

I never cared for the virtuosos, like joe satriani, or yngvie malmsteen etc, I always like players that grooved. And as for SoloDallas, despite admitting he knows he plays like Angus, does it EXCEPTIONALLY well. It's his groove I love.

Just like EVH, I never cared for all the squeels and hammer on stuff - although it's very cool that he can do that, it's his sense of GROOVE and BLUES that I always loved, he plays with a lot of feel, and that hesitation = great timing.

It's hard for people to re-invent anything. The genre or styles of certain famous players always comes through in someone else' playing, it's inevitable. I play drums kind of like Bohnam, or Charlie Watts (with the Stones) not the jazz stuff, or the old school funk, RN'B players - it makes sense to me and feels good to play.

I think of Jimmie Page, Gary Moore, Angus Young etc... to me they're all about that British blues generation, and so I tend to like ANYONE who plays with that kind of feel, regardless if it sounds like someone else or not, I just dig it. Ever seen this guy play? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdyvPg0c6bI Simple, straight up, and TONS of groove, boogie woogie. If you turn your head away, and listen....think of Angus, Jimmie, or Gary grooving to that - comes from the same place, it's fast, furious, infectious, and just makes you want to jump around like a maniac.

[beaulieu]

Oh that kicks ass. I think its ok to sound like someone else.But some guys try to copy everything. I see some trying to use everything EVH did. They got their whole EVH rig and the tone might sound like EVH but they spent so much time putting their rig together they forgot to practice! I remember guys selling mods for Marshall and I wonder how many got their amp back and were disappointed that they still weren't happy. I also think if one can play EVH well then they can do it on a lot of different amp set-ups. I guess what I am trying to say is they focus more on the gear instead of technique and the practicing. For instance everyone trys to play Eruption and I can count on one hand how many do it justice. I try to play it and its OK but I would never post a video of it. The guy that I think did it the best was Pete Thorn. I myself learn VH songs,AC/DC etc but I think its strange when someone is total obsessed with one thing and one thing only. More so when they even try to look and act like someone else. To each his own. FWIW when I think about it I kinda do the same thing with my Marshall builds. I know I spend WAY to much time on things like having ALL NOS Iskra resistors or when I first got my 69 plexi and it was missing 1 mustard cap it would bother me. When the amp is in the Head shell you can not see it but I knew it wasn't right. I know I could get a lot farther If I didn't worry about the one different cap and just listen to the sound.Or the hrs I spend looking for NOS parts for my builds. I have to admit it does feel good when I can build a repro closer then Marshall can. Maybe that's how the artist copiers feel when they pull it off. I am working on it though! You know what they say. we hate others when we see ourselves in them! Very true. I am always bitching at my girlfriend for certain things she does and I do the same damn things!

[herbvis]

I wasn't putting him down at all. I do love watching him rocking out when he plays

I didn't take it that way
There have been others

[Tone Slinger]

As far as that 'boogie Woogie' jam of Freddie, well it was pretty good.I didnt really think of Angus or Gary. Deep Purple used to get into jams like that, and being totally honest, Ritchie Blackmore could tear that stuff up, and most importantly, not BORE the hell out of the listener, same with Rory Gallagher. I like the question/answer thing,but after awhile, I like for the 'questions and answers' to go a little beyond (question) "What You Know Good" and (answer) 'Jus Chillin man", if you know what I mean. I'll take Albert Collins and old Billy Gibbons for that style of 'small talk/shootin' the shit' style playing. They get/had more soul for that particular style imo.

[maltone]

Tone Slinger, I won't contest who's better or worse at a given style. I only found out about Freddy King by accident. A friend of mine is a big soul, funk, R&B fan (as am I). We've traded CD's over the years, introducing each other to different bands etc.

He came over one night and put in this Freddy King DVD, a live performance sometime in the early 70's. And I just thought it was the coolest thing I'd ever seen. — I just loved his attack, some of his lead lines reminded me of how Jimmy Page or even Angus would dig in - the vibrato single notes etc. Of course Chuck Berry did that too, but I like it most when that kind of blues is played without politeness. And Freddie King's sound is like that, in your face, and smack!

But it was more stripped down, a smaller venue so it seemed a lot more intimate. I think it's that crisp HONK he gets, I love that sound.