1987 Metro Build Troubleshooting

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gldtp99
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1987 Metro Build Troubleshooting

Post by gldtp99 » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:29 pm

I built this 1987 with Metro chassis, face/back plates, turret board, PT, and parts from other places a couple of yrs ago----- It always sounded good at lower volumes but when cranked up it would begin to oscillate.
I tried everything I could think of but nothing effected the oscillation in any way whatsoever------ lead dress, shielded cables, grid stoppers, snubber caps, etc. I had to put the amp away and work on other amps several times due to the frustration of getting nowhere with troubleshooting this one.
I had swapped countless preamp tubes but had always used the same true NOS matched pair of RFT EL34's------ tonight I installed/biased a pair of the Chinese GG (Guigong) EL34 "Super Tubes" that CE sells (I had put the other pair of a matched quad in a hi gain 50 watt prototype earlier in the night and this pair of EL34's was on my bench)
OSCILLATION GONE !!!!!!----- :clap: - :clap: - :clap: - :thumbsup:
I re-installed the RFT's and the oscillation returned----- the RFT's tested matched and strong in my new Orange Valve Tester but were a problem in the amp at high volume levels.
I put in a good matched pair of used Mullard XF4's---- no oscillation
A lightly used matched pair of St Petersburg Svetlanas----------- no oscillation
Now I have to remove the circuit changes/tweaks that I installed to try and eliminate the oscillation in the preamp (which was never the problem--it was that pair of RFT output tubes)---- snubbers, etc---- then I can see how the circuit is going to sound in stock/near stock spec.
Then I can re-install the Lar/Mar PPIMV that I initially built the amp with and later removed as part of the troubleshooting process.
This build has been a thorn in my side for a few years now---- I'm a happy amp builder now that i'm on the way to getting it 100% operational and tweaked to my ear.
It looks like this:

http://s46.photobucket.com/user/gldtp99 ... t=3&page=1
http://s46.photobucket.com/user/gldtp99 ... t=3&page=1

Pressed_Rat
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Re: 1987 Metro Build Troubleshooting

Post by Pressed_Rat » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:53 pm

That's a mighty fine looking head. 8) Gut shots?

gldtp99
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Re: 1987 Metro Build Troubleshooting

Post by gldtp99 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:55 am

I'll take some gut shots after the amp is running 100%---- the outside pics are a couple of yrs old------ from when the amp was initially built................................gldtp99

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Re: 1987 Metro Build Troubleshooting

Post by maxwedge572 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:25 am

It's always something! I'm glad my last build went good, actuality my last two but three ago was a pain and not to mention my 74 JMP. :lol:
Scott

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