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jnewlyn · Post by **jnewlyn** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:50 am

Of all the albums and songs and solo's, etc., what one song would you choose to best represent EVH at his best? Not talking tone here. I'm talking about his playing. I'll go first since I started this. As difficult as it is, I think I'd go with "I'm the One" from the first album. One track, one take, facking nailed it.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:52 am

jnewlyn wrote:Of all the albums and songs and solo's, etc., what one song would you choose to best represent EVH at his best? Not talking tone here. I'm talking about his playing. I'll go first since I started this. As difficult as it is, I think I'd go with "I'm the One" from the first album. One track, one take, facking nailed it.

i would have to think hard so many to choose form but im with u - im the one, the song, the playing, all the difefrent ripping that goes on through out, and the facking tone... the facking tone!

of course eruption is out of this world.

jnewlyn · Post by **jnewlyn** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:50 pm

Exactly. Rhythm is killer and totally in the pocket, unobstructed by a ton of killer fills all over the song. Lead breaks are spanked and the whole vibe of that song is just all about holding nothing back and spilling his guts out. Just really doesn't get any more true and raw and, to me, pretty much epidomizes his greatness. It'll be interesting to see what other people come up with.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:52 pm

jnewlyn wrote:Exactly. Rhythm is killer and totally in the pocket, unobstructed by a ton of killer fills all over the song. Lead breaks are spanked and the whole vibe of that song is just all about holding nothing back and spilling his guts out. Just really doesn't get any more true and raw and, to me, pretty much epidomizes his greatness. It'll be interesting to see what other people come up with.

thats what i left out! the whole fucking thing, begining to end..everything is so in the pocket. a perfect fitting pocket

jnewlyn · Post by **jnewlyn** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:35 pm

Wow, Rockstah, I just heard your merc shared 820 330uF clip. Sounds pretty damn good. I finally finished my rebuild project about 2 months ago but have been a bit reluctant post about it as I don't yet have the means to post any clips. However, I did try the shared 820/330 with a 330 on V2A as well but found a whole lot of trouble with flub regardless of what NFB resistor was used. However, I had not yet had a dual 16uF to try with that arrangement. Might make the difference. Thus far, I've ended up with V1 shared using the 2.7K/.68 and a 1uF on V2A and this is working pretty good with a dual 50uF. The dual 16uF with these V1 and V2 arrangements seemed a bit bright or harsh. Now that I have the dual 16uF, I'll have to go back and try the shared 820/330 along with the 330uF on V2A.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:37 pm

jnewlyn wrote:Wow, Rockstah, I just heard your merc shared 820 330uF clip. Sounds pretty damn good. I finally finished my rebuild project about 2 months ago but have been a bit reluctant post about it as I don't yet have the means to post any clips. However, I did try the shared 820/330 with a 330 on V2A as well but found a whole lot of trouble with flub regardless of what NFB resistor was used. However, I had not yet had a dual 16uF to try with that arrangement. Might make the difference. Thus far, I've ended up with V1 shared using the 2.7K/.68 and a 1uF on V2A and this is working pretty good with a dual 50uF. The dual 16uF with these V1 and V2 arrangements seemed a bit bright or harsh. Now that I have the dual 16uF, I'll have to go back and try the shared 820/330 along with the 330uF on V2A.

and u do have a .0022u on the bright channel coupling?
dont forget the 33k/500p tone stack too!

jnewlyn · Post by **jnewlyn** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:45 pm

No, I've got the .022 as I found it to be a bit warmer with the current arrangement. Good point though. with the shared arrangement (820/330) and 330 on V2A, this also might help to eliminate some flub along with the dual 16uF. I've got the 56K/250pf for tone stack. Do you think that the 33K/500pF is key for this arrangement as well?

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:47 pm

jnewlyn wrote:No, I've got the .022 as I found it to be a bit warmer with the current arrangement. Good point though. with the shared arrangement (820/330) and 330 on V2A, this also might help to eliminate some flub along with the dual 16uF. I've got the 56K/250pf for tone stack. Do you think that the 33K/500pF is key for this arrangement as well?

indeed both the .0022u and the 33k/tone stack = touch response and more sparkle - i dont hear it so much as bass with the bigger caps as it gets stiffer and more sterile to my ear and my hands- the lower filtering gives it some juiciess, looser feel, more dynamic - u should try it. oh and no volume bright cap.

jnewlyn · Post by **jnewlyn** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:07 pm

No volume bright cap. Agreed there. I'll try this these today now that I have a dual 16uF and see how it works out this time. I absolutely must agree with what you are saying about lower filtering. Especially in the screens. That really brought some dynamic life into the amp. Here's another thing that made a pretty substantial difference in my amp. I changed my output trannie to a Merc but left the stock Pwr Trannie as I was lucky enough that the plate voltages were nice and low at about 405v. So in order to experiment with browning up the tone even more, I swapped the voltage dropping resistors to the preamp tubes from the normal 10K's to a 47K (dropping the first 2 stages) and a 15K (dropping just the 1st stage) This was pretty effective in making it real warm and toasty with a nice tight, warm bottom. I'm after that 2nd album tone and this seemed to have been a big step. Again, I wish I could post a clip but don't know how to do that yet. I need to research what I need to buy to be able to do that.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:19 pm

jnewlyn wrote:No volume bright cap. Agreed there. I'll try this these today now that I have a dual 16uF and see how it works out this time. I absolutely must agree with what you are saying about lower filtering. Especially in the screens. That really brought some dynamic life into the amp. Here's another thing that made a pretty substantial difference in my amp. I changed my output trannie to a Merc but left the stock Pwr Trannie as I was lucky enough that the plate voltages were nice and low at about 405v. So in order to experiment with browning up the tone even more, I swapped the voltage dropping resistors to the preamp tubes from the normal 10K's to a 47K (dropping the first 2 stages) and a 15K (dropping just the 1st stage) This was pretty effective in making it real warm and toasty with a nice tight, warm bottom. I'm after that 2nd album tone and this seemed to have been a big step. Again, I wish I could post a clip but don't know how to do that yet. I need to research what I need to buy to be able to do that.

also a total of 32u on the PI cap - interesting on the dropping resistors.

jnewlyn · Post by **jnewlyn** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:23 pm

Yep. Dual 32uF for screens/PI. That's what I was talking about. As well, I've changed the 47pF fizz cap to a 100pF. And I swapped EL 34's for the bigger bottle 6CA7's. This was a nice improvement.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:28 pm

jnewlyn wrote:Yep. Dual 32uF for screens/PI. That's what I was talking about. As well, I've changed the 47pF fizz cap to a 100pF. And I swapped EL 34's for the bigger bottle 6CA7's. This was a nice improvement.

i hear ya -i was making clear not to use both sides of the 32u can on the PI only one side for a total of 32u on the PI!

as well a total of 16u on teh screens - again one side of the 32u cap is used if you jumper them then u get 32u on the screens!

jnewlyn · Post by **jnewlyn** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:34 pm

Oh really. So how is this done? Not by just disconnecting the other side but perhaps connecting the screens and PI to the same one side of the can? Is that right?

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:38 pm

jnewlyn wrote:Oh really. So how is this done? Not by just disconnecting the other side but perhaps connecting the screens and PI to the same one side of the can? Is that right?

in my plexi build right now one can( PI) on top all the rest inside.

two dual 50u cans , jumpered to = 100u wired in series for 50u on the mains.
two 33u axial caps in series for 16u on the screens ( if u used dual 32u cans you would only use one side of the can, wired in series you get 16u on teh screens)
dual 32u can for PI cap (only one side of teh dual 32u cap is used for 32u On the PI
dual 16u cap used in preamp section

so in all its like this
50u mains
16u screen
32u PI
dual 16 preamp

jnewlyn · Post by **jnewlyn** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:45 pm

Got it. I'll have to give it a go. Should be interesting.

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