Did Eddie use greenbacks or blackbacks?

gnugear · Post by **gnugear** » Fri May 26, 2006 12:23 pm

After comparing my Blackback H30 loaded cab and my blackback and greenback G12M cabs, I'm fairly convinced he used 25s. That said, do you think they were real greenies or black backs. Black backs would be period correct if he wasn't using super old cabs.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Fri May 26, 2006 12:25 pm

black backs.

Bainzy · Post by **Bainzy** » Fri May 26, 2006 1:16 pm

Most people say pre-rola's, and I'd say Stan has got the closest with his Heritage G12M-20's.

908ssp · Post by **908ssp** » Fri May 26, 2006 4:48 pm

rockstah wrote:black backs.

What evidence do you have to support that?

I got four to sell if anyone is interested.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Fri May 26, 2006 5:09 pm

908ssp wrote:
rockstah wrote:black backs.

What evidence do you have to support that?

I got four to sell if anyone is interested.

my ears

gnugear · Post by **gnugear** » Fri May 26, 2006 5:19 pm

What kind of black backs are they?

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Fri May 26, 2006 5:55 pm

gnugear wrote:What kind of black backs are they?

ummm 25watt 16ohm 75hz - black backs since he blew em so much ill say they went from pre to rola - come on! im guessing but if i had to money on it this is what i would bet.

908ssp · Post by **908ssp** » Fri May 26, 2006 11:07 pm

rockstah wrote:
gnugear wrote:What kind of black backs are they?
ummm 25watt 16ohm 75hz - black backs since he blew em so much ill say they went from pre to rola - come on! im guessing but if i had to money on it this is what i would bet.

And how many different cabs of speakers have you owned since you built your amp?

How do you know you have not tuned your amp for the wrong speakers?

Speakers make ten time the difference all your fine tuning of the guts do.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sat May 27, 2006 12:19 am

908ssp wrote:
rockstah wrote:
gnugear wrote:What kind of black backs are they?
ummm 25watt 16ohm 75hz - black backs since he blew em so much ill say they went from pre to rola - come on! im guessing but if i had to money on it this is what i would bet.

And how many different cabs of speakers have you owned since you built your amp?

How do you know you have not tuned your amp for the wrong speakers?

Speakers make ten time the difference all your fine tuning of the guts do.

it is a valid point indeed. and i could be completely off base.. i have only used this cab with this amp. i have used other cabs in the past and on the road cabs with 75's and cabs with 30's. my assumtion here is also based on observation of what i hear in ed's tone and what i have over the years noted as particular speakers voices along with their particular sounds. so yeah, as you r pointing out it could be just wrong guess. but it is mine guess.

listen to the voice not the sound.

Mark

908ssp · Post by **908ssp** » Sat May 27, 2006 12:38 am

It is indeed possible that Blackbacks being the new current speaker in the late 70's was the speaker he used there is some logic to that. There is also logic to the possibility that he was buying used speakers because they were cheaper at that time, remember they weren't "vintage" at the time.

You're also correct that you have to make choices that sound right to you.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sat May 27, 2006 12:44 am

908ssp wrote:It is indeed possible that Blackbacks being the new current speaker in the late 70's was the speaker he used there is some logic to that. There is also logic to the possibility that he was buying used speakers because they were cheaper at that time, remember they weren't "vintage" at the time.

You're also correct that you have to make choices that sound right to you.

werd up!

Bainzy · Post by **Bainzy** » Sat May 27, 2006 6:25 pm

Although some evidence / logic would point towards G12M blackbacks, I've seen the "main cab" that Ed supposedly always used in recording with his magic marshall head, and it looks like a 67-68 to me. If he managed not to blow the speakers in this cab (or found the right replacements), it was probably this cab used for a lot of recordings. To be fair though, looking at how many cabs he used in the studio, he probably had loads of different G12M / G12H's in his cabs and just aimed a few SM57's at the ones he liked the sound of on that recording day.

I don't really feel like you can give a fair assessment of which speakers he used Mark between G12M types if you've only tried the G12M blackbacks and not any original 20w's or the Heritage - so get some ordered NOW!!!!

62sg · Post by **62sg** » Sat May 27, 2006 7:03 pm

Bainzy..you make a very good point. The cab itself is said to be a 68'...but who's to say that all the early recordings were even made from Celestions? It is possible, but unlikely, he used other brands...but leaves the door open for the possibility. Have heard EVH used ev, or jbl speakers from time to time...not sure of the era, or if this is fact.

Bainzy · Post by **Bainzy** » Sat May 27, 2006 9:22 pm

Yeah, I think it's easy for one to fall into the trap of thinking that an artist would use the same gear all the time. I know myself, when I'm in my home studio, I tend to just go with whatever spontaneous setup I find at the time that sounds good. I never have the mic in EXACTLY the same spot, I just stick it approximate and adjust to taste - if it doesn't sound right I'll try a new position that I've never tried before, and if that works fine by me. I'm happiest with a 330uF bypass on V2a's cathode, but that doesn't mean that sometimes when recording I won't flick the switch to change the cap to a .68uF instead. If I had different (but similar) guitars, I'd probably just pick up whatever guitar I'm into at the time and record with that.

You guys have all heard the different stories about this 'magic marshall', and have heard just about every type of spec quoted (except that he was playing a Splawn, I'm still waiting for that one! lol). In addition, Jose Arrendo said from Van Halen II onwards he modded EVH's amp from time to time. He's never been truly happy with his tone and has always changed it (so much so that he even went to Peavey

), so just put 2 and 2 together and it's not hard to see 4.

gnugear · Post by **gnugear** » Sun May 28, 2006 3:57 am

908ssp wrote:
rockstah wrote:
gnugear wrote:What kind of black backs are they?
ummm 25watt 16ohm 75hz - black backs since he blew em so much ill say they went from pre to rola - come on! im guessing but if i had to money on it this is what i would bet.

And how many different cabs of speakers have you owned since you built your amp?

How do you know you have not tuned your amp for the wrong speakers?

Speakers make ten time the difference all your fine tuning of the guts do.

Aint that the truth!!

I started with with Aniversary G12Hs and then a mix of those and RI greenbacks.

Then I got a '68 basketweave with 55hz G12M blackbacks

Then I got a '74 slant with real 75hz greenbacks

Then I got a 80 JCM cab (installed basketweave and metal handles) with 55hz G12H blackbacks

And now I'm waiting on some 75hz G12M blackbacks.

So far the real greenies come closest, but I'm eager to try the 75hz blackbacks. I'm also in a fortunate position to have all the cabs (except the first one with RI greenbacks) in my possession to do a direct comparison.