Ralle Spec

Bainzy · Post by **Bainzy** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:24 pm

Who's tried it around here? The circuit part of this spec was the first change I put in my 1959slp, and I'm considering trying it again now I've upgraded my gear a lot.

Ralle's clips sound a bit muddy/fuzzy in places; is it the recording method / JB pickup / powerbrake, or the actual amp spec?

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:11 pm

Bainzy wrote:Who's tried it around here? The circuit part of this spec was the first change I put in my 1959slp, and I'm considering trying it again now I've upgraded my gear a lot.

Ralle's clips sound a bit muddy/fuzzy in places; is it the recording method / JB pickup / powerbrake, or the actual amp spec?

i have

sounds nothing like ralle's amp though - try it again bainzy

"zeheavypanting.mp3" on my plexi soundclick link below is ralle spec.

Bainzy · Post by **Bainzy** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:20 pm

Yeh but you've not had power amp distortion on it - you can't get that kind of sound with a PPIMV, trust me I've tried everything with it. I'm talking about using an attenuator, power scaling or the amp flat out on its own with the Ralle spec really. I'm ordering power scaling in the next week or two so I'm considering my options for when I get it for the first alternate specs to try.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:26 pm

no attentuator for me - dont like them period.
im ordering the power scale box as well and ill use a 69 spec with it
- the 2203 spec kills anything i have tried so much that im leaving it alone - its a done amp. listen to the woodiness on that clip.

this amp kills right now - im a player and build them to play them.
Mark

Bainzy · Post by **Bainzy** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:28 pm

Yeah, now that the PPIMV has fucked up in my amp, I've been putting it in a spare room and running it at different volumes. There's definately shitloads more headroom and woodiness when you don't use a PPIMV, the PPIMV seems to compress the sound quite a lot. Plus, the amp really roars now I'm cranking them EL34's!!!

I'm not sure whether or not it's the stock Marshall EL34's I'm using or the spec, but these tubes don't get anywhere near the level of saturation and looseness on 10 as I can hear on Ralle's clips. I think it's very likely the power tubes, but I won't be able to tell for sure until I get them JJ EL34L's.

caver · Post by **caver** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:34 pm

zeheavypanting has a real King's X vibe to it.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:04 am

what vibe does my 2203 spec have?

gnugear · Post by **gnugear** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:16 am

I thought my Ralle specs sounded spot on to Ralle's clips. What I hear is a lower fidelity recording process. I got that with my old program that only recorded in 16-bit. It sounds really familiar. I used my '74 as a testing ground.

mightymike · Post by **mightymike** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:12 am

Bainzy wrote:Who's tried it around here? The circuit part of this spec was the first change I put in my 1959slp, and I'm considering trying it again now I've upgraded my gear a lot.

Ralle's clips sound a bit muddy/fuzzy in places; is it the recording method / JB pickup / powerbrake, or the actual amp spec?

I have a build that has all the same parts, it's almost done. Everything except for the boards, which ****** is staking today. My first one was ****** Spec Aluminum 12000, but this new build has the original trannys, steel chassis, and original Dallys, with the original 56ks on the screens.
I already had the JB in the guitar already, and a 1960AX Cab, and some JJ laying around here somewhere.

I figured I'd start this build off with his spec, because it would cause the least amount of red dye removal. Plus I happened to have exact parts.
SO it should be a fun experiment, and starting point to tweak from.

There's pic in the Recreating a 12000 and JTM 45/100 thread.

Hey Rockstah, which clips represent you favorite setup with the 2203 circuit. Is it the Heavy Panting? All your stuff sounds great, but it's hard to keep track of which is which, cause you keep tweaking.

I know your VH stuff with your 12000 sprec was killer. You like the 2203 better? Wow it must be good.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:06 pm

Mike in my soundclick plexi link they are labeled - 2203modsu.mp3 is the kill . if its 2203 its says it is if not it plexi. i have no diea why no one hears it - that clip kills every clip for vh and its 2203!

mightymike · Post by **mightymike** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:31 pm

Can't say which I like better
They both kill.
Have you tried 12000 spec with your new cab yet. If not I bet it will sound different. Who knows, it might be your favorite again.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:44 pm

YES ALL MY CLIPS ON MY PLEXI SOUNDCLICK ARE WITH MY NEW CAB

mightymike · Post by **mightymike** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:28 pm

I thought you just got those black backs a couple days ago?
so those 12000 clips where with those Black back speakers too?

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:47 pm

Mike,
everything on my soundclick plexi link is blackbacks - some of my very first posts were into two -10" celesteions inside a prosonic. butagain everything in my plexi link is 4x12 blackbacks.

Mark

Flames1950 · Post by **Flames1950** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:52 pm

rockstah wrote:Mike in my soundclick plexi link they are labeled - 2203modsu.mp3 is the kill . if its 2203 its says it is if not it plexi. i have no diea why no one hears it - that clip kills every clip for vh and its 2203!

Well I hear it Mark.....that's a killer track and sounds very VH to my ears, at least for rhythm.....where's the lead clips? (Lead was where I thought the 2204/2203 design fell short for me, I either had enough gain to get the sustain and it was too fizzy, or I had to use an overdrive with less gain. What's your take?) Maybe we'll all have to quit taking shots at that Musician's Friend blurb that says the 2203 was the amp behind the brown sound in the eighties.......

And what's this new cab thing I see above? I don't recall reading about that!!

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