Little Guitars VH

dai1976 · Post by **dai1976** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:16 am

Sorry if this has been asked before but i couldn't find any info on this anywhere , Does anyone know what the modulation ? effect is on little guitars , had a really odd effect in some places

great forum btw

Dai

chrisom · Post by **chrisom** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:57 am

Listen to Mastertracks' "Little Guitars Guitar Track only" (extracted from Guitar Hero) on Youtube. It's supposedly just an inline old Boss CE1 Chorus Ensemble- and it shows... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvBsPN75 ... 558DE03C0C

dirtycooter · Post by **dirtycooter** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:16 am

Mxr chorus is listed during this era for Ed's gear in the early 90's Guitar Shop covering Ed's new stack and axe (@ the time pv 5150 and ebmm). But it covers record by record the gear used and seen on tours of the corresponding times. Love my new mxr yellow box for this type of thing. Does the Intruder tone as well very good. But it may have been a boss and they are reknown for their chorus. But never seen it. He was a roland dc user and that was capable of chorus as well as echo-nother possibilty

rgorke · Post by **rgorke** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:46 am

dirtycooter wrote:Mxr chorus is listed during this era for Ed's gear in the early 90's Guitar Shop covering Ed's new stack and axe (@ the time pv 5150 and ebmm).

What is this? Not sure I recall seeing or hearing about it.

dai1976 · Post by **dai1976** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:49 pm

Thanks for the replies , it has a very distinct sound between 38-42 seconds that i haven't been able to replicate
might try the yellow mxr chorus , however i just mailed tc electronics to see if there new toneprint pedals could get this sounds

ill post there reply when i get it

cary chilton · Post by **cary chilton** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:06 pm

That crazy double stop type rhythm isnt easy to play

Rich_D · Post by **Rich_D** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:26 pm

cary chilton wrote:That crazy double stop type rhythm isnt easy to play

Yep, Eddie is the master. I have trouble with it on half speed when I'm learning a new one. He's from planet Eddie with his strange double stop timings.

garbeaj · Post by **garbeaj** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:50 pm

chrisom wrote:Listen to Mastertracks' "Little Guitars Guitar Track only" (extracted from Guitar Hero) on Youtube. It's supposedly just an inline old Boss CE1 Chorus Ensemble- and it shows... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvBsPN75 ... 558DE03C0C

I believe you might be right about the Boss CE-1...that is the one chorus box that Ed ever mentioned using in the Roth days. But the Roland DC-30 was in the Bradshaw rack for the live shows on the 1984 and maybe Diver down tours...
Could be a chorus sound from the Eventide?

classalpha · Post by **classalpha** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:55 pm

... it's definitely a "Roland" Chorus, but not a CE-1... -> Roland Chorus Echo. Same warbly tape echo unit Ed used on the intro to Hear About It Later during the -> Fair Warning Tour <- ... & before you "kids" here throw a fit - that's NOT THE MXR FLANGER he recorded the H.A.I.L. intro w/ ...

somethin'else · Post by **somethin'else** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:35 pm

classalpha wrote:... it's definitely a "Roland" Chorus, but not a CE-1... -> Roland Chorus Echo. Same warbly tape echo unit Ed used on the intro to Hear About It Later during the -> Fair Warning Tour <- ... & before you "kids" here throw a fit - that's NOT THE MXR FLANGER he recorded the H.A.I.L. intro w/ ...

Woo

put it out there! That's really interesting, and I love that freakin' song. What's the story on that? Do you know if it was the RE301 or RE501?
That ain't no stompbox.

dirtycooter · Post by **dirtycooter** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:55 pm

Currently he is using a mxr chorus and last tour he used the bigger new yellow one, and on the era you are refering to it does show his equipment list as having a mxr chorus back then. So for chorus box's it seems congruent and holdin with the 1990-91 article before the last couple tours.
Another thing is if you find mxr's soundclips of their chorus boxes they used to have one that pretty mich sounded identicale tonally to little guitars and i obtain that easily with it so i really believe whole heartedly in the mxr.
Possibly could be eventide with modulation turned on too though on the recording. The eventide does not give chorus just cause its detuned-there is a selectable modulation section with speed controls you can add that gets the shimmer. I have personally never seen mention of the boss. Roland yes, and at short to no delay times that was known to do great chorus.

But speaking of the roland dc echo units has anyone ever used one? They are analog bb delays.

somethin'else · Post by **somethin'else** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:32 pm

Not sure what the op's aim is, but I'd tend towards a decent 'on the floor' solution for my needs, and I am needing a chorus. I'll have to check out the mxr. I'd like to compare it to the boss ce-1 or 2, or 3.

Ya know, those big old Roland's are bookoo $. Just as some good folks have mapped and replicated just the pre-amp of the Echoplex, and the Roland Space Echo (for the Rockabilly crowd), it'd be something awesome if someone had an RE-301 to capture the chorus outta that puppy. That would be phat.
(Mr. Clinch where are you?)

classalpha · Post by **classalpha** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:35 pm

somethin'else wrote:
classalpha wrote:... it's definitely a "Roland" Chorus, but not a CE-1... -> Roland Chorus Echo. Same warbly tape echo unit Ed used on the intro to Hear About It Later during the -> Fair Warning Tour <- ... & before you "kids" here throw a fit - that's NOT THE MXR FLANGER he recorded the H.A.I.L. intro w/ ...
Woo put it out there! That's really interesting, and I love that freakin' song. What's the story on that? Do you know if it was the RE301 or RE501?
That ain't no stompbox.

... from Van Halen Encyclopedia...

http://www.vanhalenencyclopedia.com/ent ... itars.html

" Little Guitars

Eddie recorded this song, from the Diver Down album, using his original red, white, and black-striped Charvel "Franky" and a miniature Gibson Les Paul copy hand-built by Dave Petschulat. Effects included a Roland Chorus/Echo unit. "

... don't know the model but Ed was always going w/ the least expensive piece of gear so I'd go w/ the RE-301...

... Randy Rhoads (R.I.P.) used an MXR Chorus in 1981 & '82...

fivecoyote · Post by **fivecoyote** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:35 am

Interesting on the Roland, but I'm not buying the VH Encyclopedia without a reference. Where does that info come from? And why does the MXR grey box sound spot on for HAIL? Not saying it isn't the Roland, just need the evidence!

classalpha · Post by **classalpha** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:21 pm

fivecoyote wrote:Interesting on the Roland, but I'm not buying the VH Encyclopedia without a reference. Where does that info come from? And why does the MXR grey box sound spot on for HAIL? Not saying it isn't the Roland, just need the evidence!

... it's a Roland Chorus Echo... not a pedal... MXR or such. I'd read it was a Roland Chorus/Echo in the early '80s anyway...

Sounding "spot on" is subjective - any analog chorus set to "vibrato" as on Little Guitars or the live intro to HAIL would sound similar... only that in 1981 & '82 Ed would likely have used a big, clunky rack mount like the RE-301 or 501 rather than use another pedal - he also had an Eventide 949 in his rack by then & started using only rack-mounted gear - in a couple more years he'd be using the rackmounted Palmer speaker simulator then adding (digital) Roland & Eventide H-3000 racks. Also, there is no evidence he added another floor pedal to his pedalboard- live he even ditched the old Echoplex setup... he had only the Phase 90 & Flanger still hooked up on his board, but didn't use much of either one unless he was playing the pre-Diver Down tunes that used them. As well, during the Diver Down Tour & @ the Us Festival in '83, Ed played the Minimoog synth parts in Dancing In The Streets w/ Frankie using a delay... he obviously played Cathedral live... which corroborates Ed using a "newer" & more reliable, roadworthy tape echo like the Rolands were @ the time...

... that Guitar Shop mag was innaccurate on so many levels... but was even more out-disinfo'd by the dreaded Guitar One ragazine & that pseudo gear "journalist" Lisa Sharken...

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