which speakers/cab for evh sound?

[rockstah]

i say a straight with vintage 30's

[pfrischmann]

for sure a straight but I'd think G12h's or Greenies possibly with another speaker mixed.

I've heard of guys using 2 30 wattters and 2 JBL d120f's.

[5150loveeddie]

for sure a straight but I'd think G12h's or Greenies possibly with another speaker mixed.

I've heard of guys using 2 30 wattters and 2 JBL d120f's.

YEP with cone number 014

[mightymike]

for sure a straight but I'd think G12h's or Greenies possibly with another speaker mixed.

I've heard of guys using 2 30 wattters and 2 JBL d120f's.

YEP with cone number 014

Which speaker are those cones for?

[rockstah]

found this in apost about hsi speakers
"So listening to Ralle's and VHolic's clips, both of those guys come really close to hitting EVH's tone, and they both use reissue greenbacks. The reissue greenbacks use H1777 cones as opposed to pre-rola greenbacks which use 003 cones. H1777 cones are a little brighter than 003 cones.

This leads me to the conclusion that Ed may have used greenback speakers with H1777 cones - more than likely mid-70's greenbacks rather than pre-rola greenbacks. "

Any thoughts?

[Bainzy]

well he blew speakers often in the early days, so when he replaced the celestion's it was probably with something new and not broken in. so I'd say your best bet is to go with the G12M, as they don't simulate ageing like others in the Celestion range.

[flemingmras]

BTW the Celestion G12M and G12H are exactly the same speaker.

The only difference is the G12H has a heavy weight magnet while the G12M has a medium weight magnet(hence the H and M designations). The G12Hs have 5 extra watts power handling due to the heavier magnet.

The 014 cones are for both speakers...these cones have a 55Hz Bass Resonance(vice a 75Hz Resonance). The 014 cones were designed as a bass speaker while the 75Hz cones are supposed to be a lead speaker.

However, for "brown sound", the bass version(55Hz) would be the obvious choice. On my soundclips, I'm using a '73 cab loaded with the original G12H-30s with 014 cones.

Then there's the whole "pre-Rola" thing. All Celestions made '73 and older are considered pre-Rolas, even though Rola bought Celestion long before '73. This is because all greenback speakers were made exactly the same way they were made before Rola bought them...then in '74 they changed the speaker construction, and they released them with greybacks and blackbacks. So basically if you have a greenback Celestion(G12M or G12H) it is considered a pre-Rola.

Jon

Jon

[5150loveeddie]

found this in apost about hsi speakers
"So listening to Ralle's and VHolic's clips, both of those guys come really close to hitting EVH's tone, and they both use reissue greenbacks. The reissue greenbacks use H1777 cones as opposed to pre-rola greenbacks which use 003 cones. H1777 cones are a little brighter than 003 cones.

This leads me to the conclusion that Ed may have used greenback speakers with H1777 cones - more than likely mid-70's greenbacks rather than pre-rola greenbacks. "

Any thoughts?

Nop he mainly used 014 and 003 JBL 120's ask Terry Kilgore Tube Tramp he played his gear hundreds of time/grew up with the man.......

[rockstah]

2x G12H-30s 014 and 2x JBL 120's 003 in straight cab would be a great place to start then! didnt hendrix like the g12h's as well?

[flemingmras]

Most people did like the G12Hs. I dig 'em due to the fact that G12Ms seem to fart out in the lows when pushed too hard whereas the G12Hs seem to stay tight in the low end all the way through.

I hate having farty low end when I'm palm muting.

Jon

[Tatosh]

Either Greenbacks or g12h30s will get you close. I use a straight cab with g12h3os and it gets pretty close on the low end. Greenies are creamier, and people seem to be getting closer with those to the brown sound. But for heavy palm muting I prefer the g12h30s.

[flemingmras]

Either Greenbacks or g12h30s

OK let me correct you on this.

EVERY pre-'74 Celestion was a "Greenback", with the exception of the Blue Bulldog that was made for Vox. You mean G12M or G12H...pre-74 these were both Greenback speakers...they both came with the green plasic back on them.

All Greenback speakers can be considered pre-Rolas also, since the color of the back nor the construction of the speakers were changed until '74, when they started making their speakers with greybacks and blackbacks, plus they changed some other stuff as well.

Just thought I'd clear up this bit of misinformation.

Jon

[rockstah]

Either Greenbacks or g12h30s

OK let me correct you on this.

EVERY pre-'74 Celestion was a "Greenback", with the exception of the Blue Bulldog that was made for Vox. You mean G12M or G12H...pre-74 these were both Greenback speakers...they both came with the green plasic back on them.

All Greenback speakers can be considered pre-Rolas also, since the color of the back nor the construction of the speakers were changed until '74, when they started making their speakers with greybacks and blackbacks, plus they changed some other stuff as well.

Just thought I'd clear up this bit of misinformation.

Jon

thank you!

[VelvetGeorge]

They actually kept making green covers too. My '74 straight has green covers.

So does my friend's '76 cabs.


George

[flemingmras]

That's the one thing I hate when people talk about "Greenbacks". I always hear "Oh yeah man, Greenbacks rule! There's no other speaker than the Greenback!" And I'm like "Which model?" And they're like "Celestion Greenbacks" and I'm like "OK dude, pre-74 EVERY model had the green back on it".

I mean since I've been around this shit a long time I know most people refer to the G12M as a Greenback, since Celestion reissued the G12M as a "Greenback". But in reality ALL Celestions pre-74 were greenbacks. I happen to own a set of '73 G12H-30 Greenbacks.

Jon