The ULTIMATE trick to achieve "Brown Sound"

flemingmras · Post by **flemingmras** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:43 pm

Guys...here's the ultimate secret...they've kept this a secret for years, but I found this online and it's been tested and it really does work!

Make sure that you DO NOT take a shit before you play...if you DO take a shit before you play, you will have gotten rid of all that brown sound in your soul.

Jon

Billy Batz · Post by **Billy Batz** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:32 pm

Fantastic! lol

I prefer to capture it in a plastic bag and insert it into my guitar and amps innars so they can then be filled with brown.

5150loveeddie · Post by **5150loveeddie** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:04 pm

liche le sac tabarnac!!!!!!!!

Flames1950 · Post by **Flames1950** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:28 am

Billy Batz wrote: Fantastic! lol

I prefer to capture it in a plastic bag and insert it into my guitar and amps innars so they can then be filled with brown.

But your brown sound quickly turns a crusty black sound as the amp gets hot, and it's a bitch to scrape off and refresh that nice soft brown tone again.

Guest 2 · Post by **Guest 2** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:46 am

Damn Flemingras, you must be one hell of a player, and must have tone to die for, after talking all this shit.

It's time to put up or shut up.
Please post your sound clips so all us EVH tone seeker can sit in awe, or STFU.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:58 pm

Guest 2 wrote:Damn Flemingras, you must be one hell of a player, and must have tone to die for, after talking all this shit.

It's time to put up or shut up.
Please post your sound clips so all us EVH tone seeker can sit in awe, or STFU.

It won't happen. They talk and they talk but you NEVER hear any clips from them, EVER. When asked you usually get something along the lines of, " i would but i don't know the first thing about pc recording, etc, etc....you know the story. Let's face it, it's all about jealousy period!

flemingmras · Post by **flemingmras** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:14 pm

Actually...I have sound clips posted all over this board!

However, EVH's tone is not a tone that I've every wanted to cop. I'm more into tones ranging from Ted Nugent to Warren DiMartini(Ratt). I don't cop one specific tone, my tone is actually quite a mixture of several different artists.

But my main thing on the whole EVH thing is...you guys all have the EVH style/feel and tone VERY DAMN CLOSE!!! So close that the average person wouldn't be able to tell the difference, and I think that's WAY cool. However, I can't figure out why people obsess on NAILING it...to the point where they're listening too close to the tone and nitpicking little itty bitty shit that is so slight that to me seems like it's a waste of time. My thing is...why isn't getting the tone as close as all you EVH cats already have it good enough? Take Ralle500's clips...he's done a marvelous job at copping EVH's tone...so close I can't even tell the difference. IMHO if you guys get the tone that Ralle500 has you'd have it on the money. So why keep obsessing on it any further than that?

Rockstah also has some killer chops(matter of fact I'd like a couple of speed lessons from him). I've checked out his clips...KILLER player.

However, here is a recording done at a gig where my tone is VERY close to Jimmy Page's tone from The Song Remains The Same. Now, when I did this one I wasn't even trying to get his tone at all...that's just the way it came out.

Here's the rig used:

Bone stock Metro Plexi Kit
All knobs dimed except Volume II and the Bass control are at 12:00
1973 Marshall Bottom cab w/original Celestion G12H-30 Greenback (55Hz version)
Marshall Power Brake on the 7th click from full off
2004 Les Paul Heritage Cherryburst Flametop w/EMG-85(Bridge) and 81(Neck)

http://216.93.175.140/~wilderc/soundclips/blackdog.mp3

Keep in mind that this clip was recorded with a video camera so it's not the best but IMHO it came out pretty damn good for a vid cam recording.

And another thing...if you guys are gonna bash me, have the balls to actually post under your signon name rather than posting as "Guest".

Jon

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:19 pm

flemingmras wrote:Actually...I have sound clips posted all over this board!

However, EVH's tone is not a tone that I've every wanted to cop. I'm more into tones ranging from Ted Nugent to Warren DiMartini(Ratt). I don't cop one specific tone, my tone is actually quite a mixture of several different artists.

But my main thing on the whole EVH thing is...you guys all have the EVH style/feel and tone VERY DAMN CLOSE!!! So close that the average person wouldn't be able to tell the difference, and I think that's WAY cool. However, I can't figure out why people obsess on NAILING it...to the point where they're listening too close to the tone and nitpicking little itty bitty shit that is so slight that to me seems like it's a waste of time. My thing is...why isn't getting the tone as close as all you EVH cats already have it good enough? Take Ralle500's clips...he's done a marvelous job at copping EVH's tone...so close I can't even tell the difference. IMHO if you guys get the tone that Ralle500 has you'd have it on the money. So why keep obsessing on it any further than that?

Rockstah also has some killer chops(matter of fact I'd like a couple of speed lessons from him). I've checked out his clips...KILLER player.

However, here is a recording done at a gig where my tone is VERY close to Jimmy Page's tone from The Song Remains The Same. Now, when I did this one I wasn't even trying to get his tone at all...that's just the way it came out.

Here's the rig used:

Bone stock Metro Plexi Kit
All knobs dimed except Volume II and the Bass control are at 12:00
1973 Marshall Bottom cab w/original Celestion G12H-30 Greenback (55Hz version)
Marshall Power Brake on the 7th click from full off
2004 Les Paul Heritage Cherryburst Flametop w/EMG-85(Bridge) and 81(Neck)

http://216.93.175.140/~wilderc/soundclips/blackdog.mp3

Keep in mind that this clip was recorded with a video camera so it's not the best but IMHO it came out pretty damn good for a vid cam recording.

And another thing...if you guys are gonna bash me, have the balls to actually post under your signon name rather than posting as "Guest".

Jon

Awesome tone! You nailed Page on that one!! It sounds alot like that warm fat VH II tone and very similar to the tone on some of Eddies live 84 boots also.

I'm impressed, great clip.

flemingmras · Post by **flemingmras** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:42 pm

Well thank you. I never listened to the EVH stuff you mentioned and compared them...and the funny thing is is that EVH used a '67/'68 plexi, which has a completely different circuit than the '69 clone I use.

However...the funny thing is is that I never actually tried to cop any specific tone...just one that I've had in my head for years. So any tones you hear me pull off that sound like someone else, I never intended for that, it just somehow comes out that way. Which is why my tone is a mixture of lots of peoples tones...it's not just in my gear, it's in my technique as well.

Here's another one...this is my band doing Atomic Punk.

Same rig as described above, but with the MXR Phase 90 with the speed turned all the way down. Also...no slapback delay on the palm scrape parts.

http://www.metalhealth.net/soundclips/atomicpunk.mp3

Also as before it was recorded with a vid cam.

Jon

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:19 pm

flemingmras wrote:Well thank you. I never listened to the EVH stuff you mentioned and compared them...and the funny thing is is that EVH used a '67/'68 plexi, which has a completely different circuit than the '69 clone I use.

However...the funny thing is is that I never actually tried to cop any specific tone...just one that I've had in my head for years. So any tones you hear me pull off that sound like someone else, I never intended for that, it just somehow comes out that way. Which is why my tone is a mixture of lots of peoples tones...it's not just in my gear, it's in my technique as well.

Here's another one...this is my band doing Atomic Punk.

Same rig as described above, but with the MXR Phase 90 with the speed turned all the way down. Also...no slapback delay on the palm scrape parts.

http://www.metalhealth.net/soundclips/atomicpunk.mp3

Also as before it was recorded with a vid cam.

Jon

Wow! It's hard to hear what the amp sounds like on most of the song because of the vid audio quality and the drums drowning it out but on the 'scratching' parts it sounds exactly like Eddies amp on alot of the bootlegs i have heard.

flemingmras · Post by **flemingmras** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:52 pm

And that's actually one of the easiest tones of his to cop. Straight Marshall SL cranked with an MXR Phase 90 in front of it with the speed turned all the way down, and then just mute the strings with your left hand and rub the side of your right hand over the strings. No mods/tone tricks involved.

Jon

Guest 2 · Post by **Guest 2** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:20 am

The Zepplin clip was ok, and so was the atomic punk.
Sound like a Marshall nothing special.
I wouldn't use those clips to put anyone down.
I don't think Eddie, or Jimmy will be beating your down
to find your tone secrets. Not impressed.

clarkydaz · Post by **clarkydaz** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:10 am

i think the point is you can get a decent page with a regular no frills marshall anyway. And for the later half of zep he actually could have used some tone tips

clarkydaz · Post by **clarkydaz** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:16 am

playing a late 50s burst wouldnt have done his tone any harm either. have you heard the whole lotta love break on TSRTS with the cherry red les paul? YUKK!!

mightymike · Post by **mightymike** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:02 am

flemingmras wrote:EVH used a '67/'68 plexi, which has a completely different circuit than the '69 clone I use.

Both Circuits can get the growl, and it's up to much debate as to which 67/68 circuit he used. Some Variations/interpretations are very 69ish. Ralle is more 69ish than say ******'s spec, that has Shared V1, but then again I think I read somewhere (from) Flames? that later ****** saw another EVH amp with Split as well.(I'll have to ask Crris about this, next time we talk.) Logic would dictate that Eddie had/has many amps with different circuits. (Being the wealthy tweaker he is) I bet his wall of tone contains many amps to emphasise different things.

I think people pursue EVH tone for different reasons on these forums.
Some to be a clone, some to build a clone, and other just to see how they would sound with that setup, other's to aquire the knowledge. Some are happy with their tone, but allways curious to learn new amps. When I start getting into the meat and potatoes on my JTM 45/100, (Trannys and Panels are Mounted and installed) that will be a different Hendrixy direction, but for now I'm on my VH project. To me this is fun.

My main amp ( A 69 Spec Metro with Mercurys, Mullard Pre Tubes and Caps/ Siemens EL34) that I'm happy with, stays untouched while I build other amps to learn the different era 100watt and formulas of Marshalls For me, the best way to learn these different era amps like the back of my hand, is to build them all. I don't know where this crazy desire to do this came from, but I can't stop building amps. I Enjoy it so much, I would do it for free, but moma didn't raise no fool. Since I have a full time job, I build to aquire and learn.

Reading opinion filled books will get you only so far. 9 times out of 10
the ways things sounded were different than I envisioned based on verball and written descriptions. Sound is like taste. It's hard to describe well.

My 2 cents