12 series clip

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:10 pm

npminard wrote:
rockstah wrote:
npminard wrote:Really enjoyed your playing on the clips, awesome tone as well! Was curious about your setup...if you don't mind me picking your brain.

What type of cab/speakers are you using?

I'm guessing this is your red Strat w/the WCR Darkburst w/A2 magnet...do you have a middle single coil or is it just the real '54 in the neck and the bridge Darkburst? Are you still using a single 500K volume pot and no tone pots? What's the theory behind slanting the bridge humbucker?

Sorry for the questions...I'm just really curious about your gear in that clip. Any info you can share would be appreciated.
sm57 into a 002r into protools - verb added after the fact

thanks man.
76' straight cab loaded with 25watt blackbacks 75hz 16ohm
its the strat with darkburst and dimarzio 54' neck in the neck position - middle pickup doesnt work. one 500k volume pot.

i used the guide of the pickup height adjustment screws for the original single coil config. just cut it to fit the humbucker. if you think about it on bass strings it closer to the bass sound and the higher strings are closer to the treble side. has to have something do with evh sound.
thanks for the info rockstah, that makes sense on the slanted bridge p/u.

Last question, sorry, what type of mic pre are you using?

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:11 pm

5150loveeddie wrote:
rockstah wrote:
mightymike wrote:I'm this far from buying that Variac, and that PT like Larrys sound like the way to go. I assume that's for regulated DC Heaters?
mike, fuck it - just get a variac thats what ed did anyway.

i variac'd the amp and ended up liking it at around 110dc. that got the amp's b+ from 500 to 473 B+ with 6.2vac on the heaters. thats plenty. and i believe part of the sound is the lowering of the heaters as well!
doing this has given me the understanding that hemay not have just turned it to 90dc persay. i think more along the lines, dialed to taste to smooth out the sound or brown it.
that happens at 110dc for me. after that is gets mushy.
u will understand this when u get your variac. oh btw... what r u waiting for?
+1 for that.........I have one!!! clip clip clip

So MArk the 820ohms u like better too?

yes as you said it added the extra gain needed when i had 1k's in there. the 1k was some what cleaner.

clip clip clip!

5150loveeddie · Post by **5150loveeddie** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:13 pm

5150loveeddie wrote:
rockstah wrote:
mightymike wrote:I'm this far from buying that Variac, and that PT like Larrys sound like the way to go. I assume that's for regulated DC Heaters?
mike, fuck it - just get a variac thats what ed did anyway.

i variac'd the amp and ended up liking it at around 110dc. that got the amp's b+ from 500 to 473 B+ with 6.2vac on the heaters. thats plenty. and i believe part of the sound is the lowering of the heaters as well!
doing this has given me the understanding that hemay not have just turned it to 90dc persay. i think more along the lines, dialed to taste to smooth out the sound or brown it.
that happens at 110dc for me. after that is gets mushy.
u will understand this when u get your variac. oh btw... what r u waiting for?
+1 for that.........I have one!!! clip clip clip

So MArk the 820ohms u like better too?

Chris once told me that the tubes at around 5.9 is starting to be boredeline so I guess 6 is still safe enough, anyway TT is there ofr more glass right!!

Boy your quick on the buttons........

Anyway that graph LArry posted show it that way also...5.9/5.8 is the limit unless you want to change your glass faster

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:19 pm

5150loveeddie wrote:
5150loveeddie wrote:
rockstah wrote: mike, fuck it - just get a variac thats what ed did anyway.

i variac'd the amp and ended up liking it at around 110dc. that got the amp's b+ from 500 to 473 B+ with 6.2vac on the heaters. thats plenty. and i believe part of the sound is the lowering of the heaters as well!
doing this has given me the understanding that hemay not have just turned it to 90dc persay. i think more along the lines, dialed to taste to smooth out the sound or brown it.
that happens at 110dc for me. after that is gets mushy.
u will understand this when u get your variac. oh btw... what r u waiting for?
+1 for that.........I have one!!! clip clip clip

So MArk the 820ohms u like better too?

Chris once told me that the tubes at around 5.9 is starting to be boredeline so I guess 6 is still safe enough, anyway TT is there ofr more glass right!!
Boy your quick on the buttons........

yeah around 110dc it sounds good and thats at 6.2 on the heaters lower than that and the amp starts to get mushy and huming some. its perhaps the bias is needing to be brought some up at this point and or the heater voltage is just getting to low. itsletting me know at this point " u r fucking with them tubes!" at about 6.1 is when the sound gets wacky.

oh yeah im putting together my ****** build ( using his trannys) at the same current spec i have going in my metro.

notice my signature!

5150loveeddie · Post by **5150loveeddie** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:34 pm

Got ya....6.1......that's easy

Signature? all the links? sorry i don't get it....Notice my sign!!?

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:39 pm

5150loveeddie wrote:Got ya....6.1......that's easy

Signature? all the links? sorry i don't get it....Notice my sign!!?

oh i was just pointing to thats where my latest clip will be.

yeah when i turn on the amp it at 120v my heaters were at 6.55 in standby mode. (500dcv tap bias at 30mA or 60 percent MPD)

fliping the amp into play position my heaters dropped to around 6.47 and then i dialed down from there to around 6.1 at 110v on the variac.

ill try to get some clips up by tonight.

5150loveeddie · Post by **5150loveeddie** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:46 pm

Ah yeah, I had to myseft, Chris's PT is for more 115V from the wall, so youhave to bring it down, my wall voltage is at 124/126VAC so.......it fucks it all up...115 I think I get around 6.2/6.3, i'll check!! it does smooth everything, maybe 110 would be just nice!!!

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:56 pm

5150loveeddie wrote:Ah yeah, I had to myseft, Chris's PT is for more 115V from the wall, so youhave to bring it down, my wall voltage is at 124/126VAC so.......it fucks it all up...115 I think I get around 6.2/6.3, i'll check!! it does smooth everything, maybe 110 would be just nice!!!

oh so u tried it? great! u see what i mean i think evh dialed it slightly lower to brown it some but not nessarily to 90dcv youll see a 100 - with 5.9 on the heaters it gets wacky. then again i will try rebiasing at this point.

5150loveeddie · Post by **5150loveeddie** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:48 pm

Well I had to reduce to 6.3 at least, with my NOS xf2 at the price they sell those you want them to last, I was getting like you 6.5+.....with a wall average voltage of 125. I don't know why its so high here know??? The wall voltage I mean...Those Plexis were made for 110/115VAC right?, WIth Chris irons you have to redo the same as 30 years ago.....110/115, I think.....Myke maybe I'll wrong here, Chris's PT is made for 115VAC?

Anyway on LArry's graph it gets bad at 5.9/5.8....for tube like so 6.1 your way good......I'll try 110 and see what it does....

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:21 pm

120 110 100 120 90

im on the 500v tap biased at 30mA to begin with.

yeah the volume changes it was all in one take.

you will hear four different times i turn down the variac.
first is120v
second 110v
third 100v 4th120v
last pass 90v (my heaters at 90v are at 4.7vac )
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my attention span... maybe ill do another one where i play all the same riffs on all voltages.

5150loveeddie · Post by **5150loveeddie** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:29 pm

Way cool what you did, very interesting.......120 is harsher, 110 /100, smoother on top, browner, 90 was not bad also, try some low Es power cords!! at 90hummmmmmm,, is it mush??

Redo at 460 on the B+

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:32 pm

5150loveeddie wrote:Way cool what you did, very interesting.......120 is harsher, 110 /100, smoother on top, 90 was not also, hummmmmmm

very interesting indeed.
- messins around over here.
its at a 110 - 100 i think i like it the best, atleast on that clip.
90 gets kind of mushy but again i havent even touched the bias at this point. i havent measured the bias yet but i know my bias went from 30ma down to 20 at 110v let along 90v!.

good idea biased at 30mA-- at 108-109 the b+ is 460.

120 is 512 B+
110 is 470 b+
100 = 440 b+
90 is 400dcv. - right on George!

5150loveeddie · Post by **5150loveeddie** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:37 pm

Ok.....well lower even could be good also, maybe better

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:40 pm

5150loveeddie wrote:Ok.....well lower even could be good also, maybe better

yeah man - read above post.

5150loveeddie · Post by **5150loveeddie** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:40 pm

rockstah wrote:
5150loveeddie wrote:Ok.....well lower even could be good also, maybe better
yeah man - read above post.

AH........