Alnico II vs Alnico V (for early EVH)

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Post by IloveMyMarshall » Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:52 am

Take a Dp100 remove the ceremic and add a A8 correct? I wonder how a A8 would sound with a Jb??? We shall see I order a couple of A8s.

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Re: Alnico II vs Alnico V (for early EVH)

Post by aaron1433 » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:56 am

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Re: Alnico II vs Alnico V (for early EVH)

Post by Ruben » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:26 am

Just installed a new Peter Florence Voodoo 59 (Alnico V magnet) in my Les Paul after playing a Seymour Duncan 59 (also A5) for sometime.

Am I the only one who likes the Seymour Duncan better? I really wanted to like this pickup but to me it doesn't sounds as 'alive' as the SD59...

To my ears the SD has more 'clarity' and 3D tone. Though the SD sounds a little harsher when it comes to hights I like the overall feel/vibe and tone much better.

Maybe I should try the Blisterbucker then

Am I crazy? :lol: :lol:

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Re: Alnico II vs Alnico V (for early EVH)

Post by leadguy » Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:04 am

Things to try. The Destroyer ended up with a Mighty Mite (bridge) and a DiMarzio (neck) after VH1 and both of these pickups could have been in the Franky at one time and both pickups are around 13K from what I've gathered. Ed had a surplus of Ibanez parts (including pickups) judging by the Shark Destroyer's tuning pegs which seem to come from different Ibanez's and he mentions in one interview of having a lot of Japanese Strat copies. Ed likes to swap magnets. A A8 is like a Ceramic but with some Alnico qualities. Why not try a cast Alnico 8 magnet preferably from a Super 70 in a old Mighty Mite or DiMarzio distortion pickup or even a new distortion pickup. A2 or A5 magnets can be put in as well but it seems to have been done before.

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Re: Alnico II vs Alnico V (for early EVH)

Post by Grosh_Guitars » Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:24 am

Ruben wrote:Just bought an off the shelf '59 (Alnico V) and gigged with it last night. I had to cut some hights on the amp EQ because the pickup is BRIGHT.

Compared to my other bridge pickups, like the 78 (Alnico II) and Antiquity (Alnico II) This is the closest I've gotten so far when it comes to early EVH. It just has the clarity in the hights what makes it sound and feel like VHI

Alnico II is great also but when it comes to that chrystal clear 'sizzle' well...to my ears A2 doesn' t cut it.

Anyway I also have made myself a Hybrid (Custom/'59, A2) which I love also. Think of replacing the magnet with an AV and see what happens.

For know:A5 IS the way to go IMO

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Try pulling that A5 out of that 59 and put a A4 in it. I have a early 80's 59 that I installed a A2 in it and it sounds great now!
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Re: Alnico II vs Alnico V (for early EVH)

Post by Armitage » Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:49 am

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RE Neck Pickup;

In the mid/late 70's the DiMarzio Super II and DiMarzio PAF, were the pickups DiMarzio recommended to go with a Super Distortion in the bridge. While Super Distortions usually shipped out double cream, the Super II usually shipped out black, other wise they looked the same with 12 hex screws. That looks like a DiMarzio Super II in the neck (before they went to that goofy black block Super II).
I just noticed the Photo is even called MightyMightandDimarzio.jpg

BTW it doesn't even look wired up. You can see three wires near the bridge pickup, and that'll be the bridge pickup to the volume pot, and the bridge pickup 'send to' and 'return from' the switch, ... and you only see the send and return from the switch going by the neck pickup. There's two wires missing, the one to the neck volume pot (which isn't there either!), and from the pot to the switch. The neck pickups wires don't show up anywhere and are likely coiled up underneath the pickup. It's just there to fill the hole.

I think it's funny that Eddie makes a big deal how pickups sound better directly screwed into the wood... and there is only using two screws per pickup mounting ring. :wink:

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Re: Alnico II vs Alnico V (for early EVH)

Post by Grosh_Guitars » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:21 am

Ruben wrote:Just installed a new Peter Florence Voodoo 59 (Alnico V magnet) in my Les Paul after playing a Seymour Duncan 59 (also A5) for sometime.

Am I the only one who likes the Seymour Duncan better? I really wanted to like this pickup but to me it doesn't sounds as 'alive' as the SD59...

To my ears the SD has more 'clarity' and 3D tone. Though the SD sounds a little harsher when it comes to hights I like the overall feel/vibe and tone much better.

Maybe I should try the Blisterbucker then

Am I crazy? :lol: :lol:
What is cool is that SD actually winds it's 59's on the same machine Gibson used back in 59!.
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Re: Alnico II vs Alnico V (for early EVH)

Post by Armitage » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:35 am

And according to Seymor Duncan and Seth Lover, they aren't, and weren't, scatter wound.

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Re: Alnico II vs Alnico V (for early EVH)

Post by 908ssp » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:44 am

Here is some great info on the original Gibson pickups.http://gundrymedia.typepad.com/throbak_ ... ntage.html

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Re: Alnico II vs Alnico V (for early EVH)

Post by Armitage » Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:26 pm

Here's S. Duncan interiewing Seth Lover about how they really did PAFs back then;

http://www.provide.net/~cfh/seth.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A little snip;

SWD: Where the coils wound by hand or was the magnet wire guided by machine?
Seth Lover: Only the experimental ones were wound by hand. Once we decided to make a bobbin and got our coil forms molded, then we set it up on the machine and I’m trying to think just how many; there was one machine that wound just four coils. I know there was one little machine and then we had a larger machine where we would wind more.

SWD: Was the wire guided on by hand or did it have an automatic traverse.
Seth Lover: It had an automatic traverse. (the machine automatically layers the magnet wire on the bobbin)

SWD: I read an article that someone said earlier humbuckers sounded the way they do because they were wound by hand and the newer ones were different because they were wound by machine.
Seth Lover: I can’t recall that anybody wound any by hand except people who were repairing. I wound sometimes, and if an old pickup was sent back in and they didn’t have a machine for winding it then it would be rewound by hand.

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Re: Alnico II vs Alnico V (for early EVH)

Post by jcs » Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:23 pm

i've had several duncan 59s over the years,they are certainly a decent pu but the top end is always a bit too harsh, i'm much happier with my highorder humbuckers..

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Re: Alnico II vs Alnico V (for early EVH)

Post by 908ssp » Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:16 pm

Armitage wrote:Here's S. Duncan interiewing Seth Lover about how they really did PAFs back then;

http://www.provide.net/~cfh/seth.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A little snip;

SWD: Where the coils wound by hand or was the magnet wire guided by machine?
Seth Lover: Only the experimental ones were wound by hand. Once we decided to make a bobbin and got our coil forms molded, then we set it up on the machine and I’m trying to think just how many; there was one machine that wound just four coils. I know there was one little machine and then we had a larger machine where we would wind more.

SWD: Was the wire guided on by hand or did it have an automatic traverse.
Seth Lover: It had an automatic traverse. (the machine automatically layers the magnet wire on the bobbin)

SWD: I read an article that someone said earlier humbuckers sounded the way they do because they were wound by hand and the newer ones were different because they were wound by machine.
Seth Lover: I can’t recall that anybody wound any by hand except people who were repairing. I wound sometimes, and if an old pickup was sent back in and they didn’t have a machine for winding it then it would be rewound by hand.
Backs up what Throbak says in the link I posted above. Even mentions the four bobbin machine. So much for all this hand wound nonsense.

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Re: Alnico II vs Alnico V (for early EVH)

Post by Tone Slinger » Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:39 pm

Hey guy's, What would a A8 magnet sound like in a custom custom (A2) ?
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Post by hammered » Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:05 pm

Tone Slinger wrote:Hey guy's, What would a A8 magnet sound like in a custom custom (A2) ?
The eq would be pretty balanced and would probably make a great 14k hard rock pickup. If you stuck an A5 mag in your CC you`d have the Seymour Duncan Custom 5 and a ceramic mag would turn it into the Custom.

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Re: Alnico II vs Alnico V (for early EVH)

Post by rgorke » Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:46 pm

I just put an A2 in a Dimarzio Super Distortion and it sounds really good. ( other than the nasty hum I have that I can't figure out where it is coming from, probably a grounding issue.) anyway, I did a side by side with my son as the judge and he liked the SD with an A2 better than the '59. The dimarzio was very warm and spongy with a nice top end. I think it is close to 14k and someone said that early VH is 14k and A2.

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