blue box mxr 6 band eq vs. newer mxr 6 band

[nitro]

Eds so called 12 series head,(12301 Eds #1 marshall)the circuit was closer to a 69-70 circuit,talk to Steve Fryette at VHT/Fryette amps,Steve was in Eds amp.Im surprised that the others that were inside Eds amp(suhr-friedman)didnt talk about that....

[Strat78]

Yeah, Steve said the PI was 100uf with .0022uf, that's what Dave described too. So what? But the screens, mains and pre filters caps were 12 series, and that is what counts here.

ps. Ya know, this whole name dropping thing at metro is fucking gay. Lets do our own footwork, post clips and then maybe the dialog will have some sort of quality here.

[Tone Slinger]

Yep, and that (the filtering values) was probably something that Ed didnt (or anyone else back then) consider as to WHY this particular head (12xxx) was a tad BETTER than his others.

I dont think many people back then (Jose included) thought about or really knew why one amp sounded better than another.

If they did, then the filter caps on ALL of Ed's amps would have been of the values of his 'Baby' #1'.

[nitro]

Those values alone still wont achieve the gain-distortion that Ed achieve on Van halen 1 no matter if the amp was cranked,variaced,etc etc.

[Strat78]

Those values alone still wont achieve the gain-distortion that Ed achieve on Van halen 1 no matter if the amp was cranked,variaced,etc etc.

Actually you can get that level of gain with the volume on 7, it's quite annoying

[nitro]

No way,ive been down this path many times.(Not the Van halen 1 sound)

[leadguy]

What paths have you been down?

Have you been down the Marshall 12 series dimed or near dimed through around that era cab with no attenuator (hire out somewhere where diming is possible) and a high output ceramic pickup in a Strat with vintage trem into a Phase and Echoplex and with the cab miced right up against the cone and on the edge of the cone and then reamped in a stairwell or reverb room and played with the energy and balls and precision of early Ed when he was drunk and maybe something else after practicing 4 hours or more a day and playing for years to drunken crowds while working on riffs and songs?

I think that it's easy to forget how much work it takes to play the club circuit and also the work Ed put in to technique.

[nitro]

Leadguy you have to be Fing kidding me to ask me that question............

[leadguy]

I wasn't being serious

[redozzman]

What paths have you been down?

Have you been down the Marshall 12 series dimed or near dimed through around that era cab with no attenuator (hire out somewhere where diming is possible) and a high output ceramic pickup in a Strat with vintage trem into a Phase and Echoplex and with the cab miced right up against the cone and on the edge of the cone and then reamped in a stairwell or reverb room and played with the energy and balls and precision of early Ed when he was drunk and maybe something else after practicing 4 hours or more a day and playing for years to drunken crowds while working on riffs and songs?

I think that it's easy to forget how much work it takes to play the club circuit and also the work Ed put in to technique.

Leadguy, you seem to have a ton of knowledge when it comes to the EVH tone yet you claim not to be a seeker of his sound and don't really care for it? why do you continually enlighten the forum masses when its not really your cup of tea? I mean no disrespect It seems odd that you spend so much time on VH forum. I think you need to come out of the closet and admit you are a VanHalen tone chaser I would love to hear some clips from you with putting all of that VH knowledge to use!

[Strat78]

Yep, and that (the filtering values) was probably something that Ed didnt (or anyone else back then) consider as to WHY this particular head (12xxx) was a tad BETTER than his others.

I dont think many people back then (Jose included) thought about or really knew why one amp sounded better than another.

If they did, then the filter caps on ALL of Ed's amps would have been of the values of his 'Baby' #1'.

Exactly, I don't think they had a clue and why would they? But, this dose not mean we are going to get great tone by simply playing through a 12 series. It's a pretty fussy circuit that sounds like shit one day and golden the next. The Nightmare Before Halloween clips sounds like Ed's amp on a bad day, it sounds horrible to my ears. Perhaps he had everything dimed at that show, yuck! A six band would have improved things there.

[Strat78]

What paths have you been down?

Have you been down the Marshall 12 series dimed or near dimed through around that era cab with no attenuator (hire out somewhere where diming is possible) and a high output ceramic pickup in a Strat with vintage trem into a Phase and Echoplex and with the cab miced right up against the cone and on the edge of the cone and then reamped in a stairwell or reverb room and played with the energy and balls and precision of early Ed when he was drunk and maybe something else after practicing 4 hours or more a day and playing for years to drunken crowds while working on riffs and songs?

I think that it's easy to forget how much work it takes to play the club circuit and also the work Ed put in to technique.

Leadguy, you seem to have a ton of knowledge when it comes to the EVH tone yet you claim not to be a seeker of his sound and don't really care for it? why do you continually enlighten the forum masses when its not really your cup of tea? I mean no disrespect It seems odd that you spend so much time on VH forum. I think you need to come out of the closet and admit you are a VanHalen tone chaser I would love to hear some clips from you with putting all of that VH knowledge to use!

Bottom line is, we are all happy enthusiasts with careers, families and the added bonus of finally having the cash to feed our......uh.....enthusiasm! It's all good, but where are we going to get a 12 series now that George's shop no longer provides the kit? Its fun to find all the components piecemeal on eBay etc..., still, some of the members here are working on remedying that challenge like axeman (chassis). vhjunkie can help too, check it out, it's pretty sick!: http://valvestorm.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Perhaps George will do another run of chassis, given that I can't seem to find some of the threads that discussed alternatives.
What was this thread about?

[vh junkie]

Perhaps George will do another run of chassis...

Looks like George is starting another run:
http://forum.metroamp.com/viewtopic.php ... 6&start=81

[rgorke]

So, it appears that if one is not on the board for half a day things go crazy...

I can't get the photo to upload where I put arrows. The MXR EQ is just above the #1 switcher and to the left of the Flanger. I am arguing that we can't see how things are plugged in but I do see the EQ there. The way the cables are looping around and from this vantage point how things are routed is difficult to see. But the EQ is there.

I will try and up load a picture with the arrows.

I know and can see that the GE 10 is NOT plugged in for the Franky.

[Good Guest]

Looky looky he's using the ge 10 in this pic.....looks like someone beat leadguy to drawing all over the pic but yeah I'd have to ay I don't see any 6 band ,,,,and yep another mess of cords to decypher..

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