EVH clip with a 71 Marshall Superlead

[ROCK€]

Yes imo Ed's amp has got that mod and that's what the white knob is on the back of his Plexi.

Didn't Ed say in a Guitar World 2007 article: "For years, people thought that I had my amps hot-rodded, but they were stock 100 watt Marshalls". Leadguy, are you thinking now that Ed's amp was after all modded and he is not telling the truth in this 2007 article?

[leadguy]

No not really.

I've always thought that Ed had a 2203 like Amp but that's just my opinion and I can't prove it.

I think Ed's amp know how was Sweet F.A back in the 70s as was mine. Playing and learning licks was where all the time was spent and not studying electronics.

How much would Ed have known about Tube electronics, not much I would say and he still probably knows Sweet F.A, that's why he has techs.

The story is that Ed's main Plexi was modified by a club before he bought it so it's debatable if it's stock or modified to Ed as maybe he just takes the mod for granted and doesn't think the mod does much.

I would say it's modified but who knows how Ed thinks about it.
In those VH2 photos there is no hiding the white knob and white knobs don't just attach themselves to the back of amps by themselves.

I used a Marshall Master Volume Amp from the late 70s/early 80s and a Plexi for years and the best amp I ever played was the Marshall Master Volume Amp.

The Marshall Master Volumes have more grit to me than say a Plexi for instance.

But for some Ed things, just a Plexi can get a great tone but in general it sounds more 2203 to me.

[ROCK€]

No not really. I've always thought that Ed had a 2203 like Amp but that's just my opinion and I can't prove it.
I would say it's modified but who knows how Ed thinks about it.
In those VH2 photos there is no hiding the white knob and white knobs don't just attach themselves to the back of amps by themselves.
in general it sounds more 2203 to me.

Good to know that, thanks, leadguy!

[rgalpin]

i'm going to say this and the poster can take it as a compliment if this is truly his clip...

it's a bit of a coincidence that this clip shows up the same week we start getting clips of Meanstreet from Rock Band or whatever that game is called.

also, this poster has just a few posts - not someone who has been here bleeding EVH stripes for years like many have.

also, where has this poster gone now that we are all drooooling. especially me!

so... i propose that is POSSIBLE that this clip is ED. call me a fool - i don't care. i know the playing is off here and there but it would take 10 minutes to import an EVH clip into ProTools and use the elastic time feature to mess with the timing and the feel enough to give it some timing and feel anomalies that apparently remove the possibility that it is an ISO clip from the album.

so - take that for what it is worth. if this is a guy in his house recording a clip of his amp and proudly sharing - then hats off!

but it is so unbelievably spot on that i am skeptical. very skeptical.

listen to it in headphones - it has every nuance. even the vibrato on the fretted C. the ONLY thing that is not spot on is the timing of the playing which can be altered as i described.

if i'm wrong - then please take this post as the highest compliment because i really think it is an actual ISO clip.

-rob

[laneychris]

But ralleP would be in on it right? I hate when we all have to wait for the goods to spill so to speak but you've raised a good question.....

See... all you need is the right amp... with the right type of mod... wich should be quite clear by now that Ed's amp was...

[rgalpin]

yes - good point - i just listened to it again - maybe i'm just an idiot! but jeeeeezzzzz man. there is something SICK about how close it is - it has that "sweep" to it - it has that jet engine swoosh to the attack - it has that phase shifty sheer to it - it has the perfect amount of grit and bloom - listen how the solo just takes off with the way the delay sounds behind the dry note - hold on - hold on - i have to run to the men's room and vomit - it's too sick!

[Marshall Maniac]

There is no fake with this recording !!

Rob.
If you listen carefully you can hear a lots of "wrong" in the clip.
In fact:
It is played too fast..because I haven´t got the time to set the
delaytime of the Echoplex correctly.The volume of the Echoplex
is set too low (compered to EDs) and so on....

Everything I know about Eds early sound come from this forum.
I´ve been here for 1,5 year and study you guys doing amazing
soundclips.The most impressiv clip I ever heard is Robs liveclip
"Blow my fuse".. in a slave setup I believe.
Keep up the good work gentlemen !!!

[rgalpin]

well you have really done something amazing my friend. i can't imagine it sounding any closer.

[vanhalen5150]

It certainly does do the sound well. I know everyone still debates the stock/mod theory. I had thought Dave Friedman has much dispelled that myth though. It was my understanding that not only did he see "it" but also "heard" it. I could be wrong but this was the impression I've had for a while.

[leadguy]

The real ATBL has 2 Echoplex's, one with around 100ms delay and the other with around 300ms delay.

IMO the clip is really about the amp and not the slaving or the Echoplex and Ralle has already done it before but not played ATBL with a Echoplex as far as I know and Ralle uses a JB Floyd combo as well.

If Ralle was playing ATBL with 2 Echoplex's and all the other Phasor Flanger etc with his amp through Celestions/JBL's and used a Strat with a PAF like pickup without a Floyd then I think that would be real close and even closer with re-amping through a reverb chamber instead of computer reverb to polish it off.

The Echoplex needs to be working properly and not 70% or whatever.
There are Echoplex clips on Youtube in front of the amp that are so quiet and noise free that you can hear the tape rotating noise just like a tape recorder.

There is the photo of Ed's amp with the white knob removed and replaced with a screw from the 90s I think.

The techs that supposedly saw Ed's amp saw it after the early stuff was recorded probably in the 90s.

I have never read any of the reports by these techs mentioning a white knob at the back of the amp but it's there in the VHII photos so it's been removed before the techs saw it.

And that Dutch tech or someone else that started the big resistor across the output transformer was FOS IMO and it was in the 90s anyway.

[Marshall Maniac]

well you have really done something amazing my friend. i can't imagine it sounding any closer.

Thanks man !!

I´ve been listening to VH since I was 15 (1978).
His early sound has grown into my head in a strange way.
Have tried to get in many diffrent ways over the years,
but it didn`t happened until I bought an amp from Ralle

[rgalpin]

welp...

what's in da box?

[rockstah]

Rob, u need an amp with a poweramp in or like is being used here an amp with a fx loop and slave your amp into it.
it always sounds much closer to me when doing it this way compared to running a line out into the front of another amp, lead channel or bass channel.
u need clean power for the amp being slaved - that's what i hear in this clip anyway.

everyone is talking about whats done in the main amp.... blah blah its how its being slaved here that is key.
Mark

[planetjimi]

welp...

what's in da box?

+1

[rockstah]

snakes alive!