Official Feedback thread for the RWTD ISO VS. YOUR CLIP.

[garbeaj]

Micing tips for anyone interested

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyDnoHSF ... ata_player" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Very cool, thanks!

[garbeaj]

Garbeaj needs to tune his guitar.

You are quite right in saying I'm out of tune for my first clip:
http://www.soundclick.com/player/single ... 63388&q=hi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But I'm in tune for my second clip:
http://www.soundclick.com/player/single ... 66870&q=hi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Thorny]

Garbeaj needs to tune his guitar.

You are quite right in saying I'm out of tune for my first clip:
http://www.soundclick.com/player/single ... 63388&q=hi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But I'm in tune for my second clip:
http://www.soundclick.com/player/single ... 66870&q=hi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sounds great! I had tried to listen before and got song not found error. Your dialin it in man!

[garbeaj]

Garbeaj needs to tune his guitar.

You are quite right in saying I'm out of tune for my first clip:
http://www.soundclick.com/player/single ... 63388&q=hi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But I'm in tune for my second clip:
http://www.soundclick.com/player/single ... 66870&q=hi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sounds great! I had tried to listen before and got song not found error. Your dialin it in man!

Thanks! Maybe with some pickup swaps, better mic and mic'ing technique, possibly an old MXR 6-band and I'll be inching closer...

[dazzlindino]

Jimi....that is some awesome tone ...man...
Fookin' kick asz!!!
dig the disso chords...
bet your rwt diablo clip will be killer.....

I dunno Dean... comin' to a gun fight with a knife...

...but here's one's for you, baby.


http://whammybomb.com/media/RWTDMetroClip2012-7-15.wav" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Haha...u b funee!!
sounds good mango...will get my version posted...probably later than sooner....LOL.....

[garbeaj]

Just so we're all on the same page!

It is anybody's guess as to how exactly the power slide is done, but I think we can all agree that this is how the main riff essentially goes...

[garbeaj]

At that point Seymour probably wound Ed's old Paf to 'JB' spec.

or the SH-5 ("PAF on steroids" -just another dsd clone IMO) which Duncan tried to sell as The EVH pickup. Strat78, Ralle and Rockstah have been using and they still use dsd and these guys have the best early evh tone. Both Strat and Ralle have tried other pickups (MM's, JB, SH-5...) but they keep coming back to dsd and I always prefer clips with the dsd...
We'll see about the GG's magic pedal because that thing can change everything we know so far, especially the pickups...

Yep. Putting back in the DSD was my next move. Guitar's already on the bench.

Just to be clear...Strat78 is back to the Super 70s for his Destroyers...

[garbeaj]

How are you guys tuning? Are you trying to make the beatless third on the B-string in the main riff thus leaving the open B well flat? As I listen to the solo rhythm it seems like he is not playing the B-string at all...just three note power chords and not using the high D and G on the B and E strings respectively in the G power chord. I'm trying to get this fucker in tune with the record and it is a bitch...

[JimiJames]

Just so we're all on the same page!

It is anybody's guess as to how exactly the power slide is done, but I think we can all agree that this is how the main riff essentially goes...

No guess Bro, just a pickscrape. or... am I not following?

[JimiJames]

or the SH-5 ("PAF on steroids" -just another dsd clone IMO) which Duncan tried to sell as The EVH pickup. Strat78, Ralle and Rockstah have been using and they still use dsd and these guys have the best early evh tone. Both Strat and Ralle have tried other pickups (MM's, JB, SH-5...) but they keep coming back to dsd and I always prefer clips with the dsd...
We'll see about the GG's magic pedal because that thing can change everything we know so far, especially the pickups...

Yep. Putting back in the DSD was my next move. Guitar's already on the bench.

Just to be clear...Strat78 is back to the Super 70s for his Destroyers...

[JimiJames]

How are you guys tuning? Are you trying to make the beatless third on the B-string in the main riff thus leaving the open B well flat? As I listen to the solo rhythm it seems like he is not playing the B-string at all...just three note power chords and not using the high D and G on the B and E strings respectively in the G power chord. I'm trying to get this fucker in tune with the record and it is a bitch...

The way I do it (double checking intonation because I change gauges once in a blue moon) is to bar at separate occasions
the D&G at the 7th & the G&B at the 9th, holding it down while tuning. Didn't Thorny mention somewhere how he does it ? I remember they were good tips to counter effect the "open" tuning.

MOST importantly is ALL these transcriptions are WAY fucking wrong when it comes to articulation.
There are no staccato breaks (notes played then rests) in the intro chords which happens thrice and is masked by the reverb/delay filling up the space.
Anybody who get's that down will be in Dutch Park .

[JimiJames]

are you attenatin' or ppimv-uing ?

PPIMV on 2.2
All dimed but Zero bass on the recording. For Live, louder & I like Bass on 3 when you can start to hear it blend in.

[JimiJames]

Thorny, I see you mic'd the bottom speaks on your w/d/w Bray rig...
Was it you who said to mic the best sounding speaker?
Well I never new that, man ! Thanks ! Mine is top left.
Why is that, really? I'm assuming because Marshalls are wired S/P and one is getting hit harder/lighter
as the signal passes through ?
Also; That placement is where I FINALLY found a good tone which is right off the speaker's edge. Oh and I also did that "Tape Op" mod which was VERY noticeably good. Recommend it on any new, newer or spare 57.

[garbeaj]

How are you guys tuning? Are you trying to make the beatless third on the B-string in the main riff thus leaving the open B well flat? As I listen to the solo rhythm it seems like he is not playing the B-string at all...just three note power chords and not using the high D and G on the B and E strings respectively in the G power chord. I'm trying to get this fucker in tune with the record and it is a bitch...

The way I do it (double checking intonation because I change gauges once in a blue moon) is to bar at separate occasions
the D&G at the 7th & the G&B at the 9th, holding it down while tuning. Didn't Thorny mention somewhere how he does it ? I remember they were good tips to counter effect the "open" tuning.

MOST importantly is ALL these transcriptions are WAY fucking wrong when it comes to articulation.
There are no staccato breaks (notes played then rests) in the intro chords which happens thrice and is masked by the reverb/delay filling up the space.
Anybody who get's that down will be in Dutch Park .

After spending a few hours trying to tune to the record, I realized that not only are Ed's 4th,3rd and 2nd strings more or less tuned to the beatless third, but the rest of the strings are also a bit out of tune with each other.

I knew that the overall basic pitch of the whole guitar was off from exactly 1/2 step down because Ed did not use tuners at this stage and that he and Mike just tuned to each other. It was, however, interesting to find that virtually all the strings were/are a bit out of tune with each other on the recording.

For instance, the low E string on "RWTD" is in tune with the low E on "Jamie's Crying"...but the B string on "Jamie's Crying" is in tune (ie. not a beatless third) so he can strum the D power chord at the fifth fret with the open B to get that fantastic shimmering chord.

I agree that there is alot of finesse to playing this tune properly, not the least of which is the "out-of-tune" tuning. Playing the power slide part correctly is another thing, as is getting the pick slides and power slides correct in the solo rhythm. But the TAB that I posted from Cherry Lane is correct, at least in the chord sequence and I wanted to make sure that everybody knew how to at least play that part without a doubt correctly:)

This is one of, if not the easiest song in the Van Halen catalog, but it is at the same time one of the most complicated!

By the way, I did not see where Thorny talked about his tuning method...

[leadguy]

Yeah, just because it seems simple doesn't mean it is.

RWTD has Ed's timing.

Ed's timing and phrasing are his best asset.

I know some dudes get impressed with speed and notes but timing and phrasing is just about everything.

No one can play even a simple thing like the RWTD chorus riff exactly like Ed, let alone more complex things.

I have never heard anyone get the timing of the mutes in the riff right and I've listened to a fair few dudes that have tried.

No one gets the rest of the riff quite right either.

The tuning is another thing as well.

The Echoplex slapback is also part of it as well.

Then there is the tone of the gear and how Ed's playing into the total tone with his attack, timing etc etc.

It seems like someone who has been playing for 3 months should be able to play it from a technique viewpoint but it's not that simple.