EVH clip with a 71 Marshall Superlead

[Marshall Maniac]

Ok guys..

I will upload the noodling clip as soon as I can
but there is a lot of repeats in my playing in it.
I want to cut some of that off before I do it.
It makes it easyer for you to listen at it that way.

Meanwhile....

For those of you who wanted a clip only with the 71 Marshall
here is another EVH clip without the slaving setup.
The singnalchain is:
Guitar-71 Marshall-Powerbrake-4x12 Cab.
The powerbrake is used "normal" without the lineout feature
and was set two steps up from Min.

[ROCK€]

here is another EVH clip without the slaving setup.

Now it sounds more like the other great sound clips by different dudes on this forum. Was the recording technique exactly the same with this clip and the slaved clip? If it was, then the slaving really added something to the previous clip. If the recording technique was different, then we don't know for sure if the secret was "in the slaving" or "in the recording technique". Thanks for your clip! We enjoy it!

[leadguy]

Spectrum Analysis cannot really decide perception of tone but if there are two similar tones side by side like in the case of the Ed and sinasl1 ATBL opening, then it can give a pretty good idea of how close they are to one another.
The speaker curves are frequency cutoff curves and are generic and speakers can deviate from the curves.

The white knob is there for the Japan tour then.
If the white knob is a pot then it's a funny looking pot.
Why not use a metal shaft normal pot for a master volume or bias or whatever.
It still looks like a white pushbutton switch to me and could possibly be a half power switch which won't add any noise where it's positioned if it's done right and maybe Jose did it.

The noodling clip is with a attenuated amp and the slaving was done with a unattenuated amp. There are bound to be differences.
All I can say is it sounds a bit too much gain for Ed like gain.

[vanhalen5150]

No one has to be a genius to look at the results of the Spectrum Analysis.

The sinasl1 spectrum is nearly the same at the right places as Ed's original and Marshall Maniacs spectrum is close but it's not as close as the sinasl1 spectrum.
This is the case below 5khz and the JBL EQing as well.

I thought that it was possible that Ed had a cascade of some sort but I've changed my mind. The white knob at the back of Ed's amp could be anything and could have been added after VH1 as the only photos of it are the VHII session photos.

In fact the more I look at that white knob the more it looks like a push activated on/off switch and not a pot and it could be a switch to turn off 2 of the power tubes for less volume.

Listening to Marshall Maniacs's clip, the cascade seems to be too much compared to Ed's original and so the spectrum differs to Ed's.

The sinasl1 clip with Dave Friedmans altered stock values amp and the variac gives a spectrum that is closer to Ed's.

If the raw sinasl1 clip was done with Celestions and JBL's and re-amped in the reverb room at Sunset Sound then I would say it's spectrum would be close to being 98% (or very high) similar to Ed's.

The secret is Ed's stock amp and variac and bias and the studio and Ed's playing.
The variac and bias in combination with Ed's main amp play a huge role in that tone.

I'm not putting down Marshall Maniacs clip, I think it sounds great but slaving is not Ed's secret.
Reducing the Sunset Sound studio down to a power tube amp is not it.

http://chandrakantha.com/articles/spect ... ctrum.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"However, day-to-day sounds and musical sounds consist of a mixture of different frequencies. It is the nature of this mix which helps to determine timbre (or tone). Therefore, by looking closely at these component frequencies we get insight into the timbre of any sound. This is spectrum analysis."

where do you get a program for spectrum analysis??i want to check out my clip..
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This one is stupid easy.


http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[vanhalen5150]

You guys notice how many people have viewed this thread. 2386



Lurking Leachers!!!!

[vanhalen5150]

[Marshall Maniac]

I like you all on this forum...you are my friends.
And there are no hard feelings against you 6250.

After all...I had learned a lot from you guys here.
And that´s what this forum is all about.

There is no differents by how the recording was
done between the two clips. But there are a minor
change between how we blended the two mics
togheter in Cubase,and of course,there is not the
same amount of reverb added to the second clip.

The studio where we recorded it belongs to a couple
of youngsters in a lokal Rockband.They are not professionals.
They had borrowed my equipment to record three of their
new songs, and I was in the studio helped them out with that
when we recorded my soundclips.

[ROCK€]

There is no differents by how the recording was
done between the two clips.

This tells me that slaving, the Echoplex and reverb really add a lot. Your clip without slaving is very good and I can hear the amp clearly, but as you mentioned before, the slaving with those echos and reverbs acted a great role in this issue. Thanks for your response!

[leadguy]

DA DA, DA DA, DA DA, DA DA BATMAN


robin: holy hair clip batman its another clip! Should we take it
back to the batcave and run it throught the Spectrum Analysis?

batman: yes robin, its another clip, the batcave sounds fine. I told you the
doctor said I was fine.

robin: and will run it through the Spectrum Analysis??

batman: robin, my results were fine.

robin: oh batman your cowls not on right. Now, we will use the
Spectrum Analysis??

batman: Boy howdy thats a relief. Wonder in why you kept
asking about my Rectum Analysis I was going to dump you
for the green hornet.

the end

Full Moon?

[Tazin]

Marshall Maniac,
You mentioned that the Reissue Marshall has a master volume installed; do you know which kind? Also, I take it that the front end (pre-amp/FX-loop) on the Reissue Marshall has no volume control? I base this on the settings specs you posted which shows only one volume setting.

The settings on the 71 Marshall was:
Presence: 10
Bass: 3
Middle: 10
Treble: 10
Volume: 9,5
The settings on the Reissue Marshall was:
Presence: 10
Bass: 3
Middle: 5
Treble: 7
Volume: 2,5
The Powerbrake was set to max load=Min.

[Marshall Maniac]

I don´t know exactly what kind of mastervolume
the Reissue Marshall has,but I believe it´s similar
to those you find on modern Marshalls like DSL 100w.

Thats right..there isn´t any volumecontrol on the FXloop.

[vh junkie]

Thanks to Rockstah and Ralle for getting the amp layout out there!

Now to the other Elephant in the room: The pictures of the modded PowerBrake... Can some one update that schematic?

[Lynchster]

here ya go guys.

he did use a 47k pot - if u cant find one a 50k will work fine.
the addition of the pot to the cathode resistance leaves u with 2.7k all the way up to 49.k (or 52.7k if u use a 50k pot) on the cathode of the second stage. - this will enable to dial in the perfect amount of gain at the second stage. all the way up and u have searing gain (2.7k)all the way down and it cleans it up (49.2k-52.7k) getting u closer to the plexi tonality compared to the cascaded sound of a 2203 (cascaded gain stages) which is essentialy what we are doing here with the mod as far as the circuit is concerned.... with a twist!

have fun!

Mark

note: if u don't want to drill a hole for the extra pot u can wire the bright volume to be the volume and the normal volume hole will hold the 47k-50k pot - now, it is a high gain circuit and this may cause some issues with oscillation but worth a try before drilling that extra hole.

also still use the normal inputs as to keep the input far away from the pots.

Hi guys , i'm new here and i have a question about the 47k pot in Ralle's 71 Marshall mod.
Is the pot audio?or linear and what would it be in watts?

[Marshall Maniac]

The 47k pot should be logarithmic, according to Ralle.

[planetjimi]

the pot is not grounded in the layout. Should it be?