for those who's still interested... a new clip

[Velva]

Ralle correct me if I am wrong but the 'secret part' is just for the spec you are running not Dave Friedman's spec he posted awhile back?

In the DF spec I keep thinking that the fat cap (330uf) sort of negates the need for the secret part (adds more bass in the treble channel) but it (fat cap) seems to put a blank over the other inputs...

Ralle, are your other inputs usable? I am guessing yes...

[Tazin]

Once again Ralle your amp sounds great! You might find this interesting....I found this while going through some of my old notes....This is from September 1998.

John Suhr wrote: "It isn't the amp, it is him but if you want to get close to his amp, it is a plexi 69, feedback is 47k, 820 ohm on the first preamp cathode (not 2.7k) 820 ohm on the stage before the cathode follower with a 470uf/16v cap across this resistor in parallel with the .68. Everything except the 470uf/16v was stock for this amp. Run through the treble channel with a broken humbucker, everything on 10 including presence, Variac to about 90V and play like him. Of coarse the only thing that really matters is that you play like him, then the variac, then the Plexi, the broken humbucker then the thin pics, I'd say the least important item is the mod on the amp or whether or not you have a 47k or 100k in the feedback, but the 100k will give you more gain. I do stress that I've heard him play up close and personal and worked on this amp, it's him."

[Ralle]

Yes I've seen that... thanx for sharing all the same...
Well, here is a perfect example of what not to get stuck on... John says it's a 69 plexi... some sy at's a 67, and some say it's a 68... some say it's with 820 ohm in v1b, some say it's 2.7k ( in fact Mark C is the only one I've seen that says that )...
John allso says it's a 470u across the .68u in v2... can't be a secret if he say so... he allso say the whole amp is stock except for that fat cap... while other info say there was a change of the filtercaps + some other stuff...

It's impossible to eaven try to figgure out what's going on... the only way to do it is to exlude the posibillity it's an all stock, with all normal values... and the most valuable info is the two none typical, but stock parts... looking at it, there isn't that many places in an amp that does it...
My ears tells me that it had 2.7k in v1b... 47k/16 ohm NFB... 2.2nF lead coupling... that is if I'm looking at the early demo sound... wich I am... no fat cap... the two odd parts figgurerd out... In other words; a VERY regular 1959 superlead, with all the most common values in such an amp from that eara... These two odd parts makes it possible to get that sound... to make the amp work in such a manner so that it is possible to dial it like Ed did... with or with out the variac... My theory is that it shouldn't matter that much what kind of pu is used... the right core will appear anyway... of cours the variac and pu's matter... but it won't help if the rest of the amp isn't right...

[dirtycooter]

Ralle are you still usin the DSD?? Just curious as I do agree if the amp is gonna have the mojo p/u does not really make all the difference.
Btw this clip of yours has been my ringtone ever since you posted it. Its so damn raw and awesome straight up tone!
You HAVE THE 77-78 tone nailed imho!

I also liked the part in the Suhr quote about Ed usin thin picks. For me this makes playin like Ed so much easier especially the fan picked stuff just rolls out. Its like you can get sag out of just usin a plain simple thin pick, but also sharp articulated snap off the string, and most important of all the give of the pick seems to act as a compressor on your picking dynamics. You can only pick as hard as the pick will not flex-keeping everything more even and uniform dynamically like...... well.. a compressor.

[Ralle]

Thanx for those kind words...
No, I'm not using the DSD anymore... but that's not because I don't like it... I'm playing a Gibson Les Paul 1960 Classic, with a 500t ( ceramic ) in the bridge possition... it's a stock pu for this guitar... I kinda don't want to mess with that one... it sounds good enough as it is... the DSD is still in my strat, but I don't hardly play that anymore... I've become a Les Paul man

About the picks... you're right about that, it feels more touchy with a thin pick... however I have a Fender 0.6mm pick... don't know if it's as thin as Ed's... but it's a good in between pick for me

[Michael R/T]

Once again Ralle your amp sounds great! You might find this interesting....I found this while going through some of my old notes....This is from September 1998.

John Suhr wrote: "It isn't the amp, it is him but if you want to get close to his amp, it is a plexi 69, feedback is 47k, 820 ohm on the first preamp cathode (not 2.7k) 820 ohm on the stage before the cathode follower with a 470uf/16v cap across this resistor in parallel with the .68. Everything except the 470uf/16v was stock for this amp. Run through the treble channel with a broken humbucker, everything on 10 including presence, Variac to about 90V and play like him. Of coarse the only thing that really matters is that you play like him, then the variac, then the Plexi, the broken humbucker then the thin pics, I'd say the least important item is the mod on the amp or whether or not you have a 47k or 100k in the feedback, but the 100k will give you more gain. I do stress that I've heard him play up close and personal and worked on this amp, it's him."

I have a 470uF 35v laying around, I want to try this in my JMP 50w (1987 circuit)

[Strat78]

Once again Ralle your amp sounds great! You might find this interesting....I found this while going through some of my old notes....This is from September 1998.

John Suhr wrote: "It isn't the amp, it is him but if you want to get close to his amp, it is a plexi 69, feedback is 47k, 820 ohm on the first preamp cathode (not 2.7k) 820 ohm on the stage before the cathode follower with a 470uf/16v cap across this resistor in parallel with the .68. Everything except the 470uf/16v was stock for this amp. Run through the treble channel with a broken humbucker, everything on 10 including presence, Variac to about 90V and play like him. Of coarse the only thing that really matters is that you play like him, then the variac, then the Plexi, the broken humbucker then the thin pics, I'd say the least important item is the mod on the amp or whether or not you have a 47k or 100k in the feedback, but the 100k will give you more gain. I do stress that I've heard him play up close and personal and worked on this amp, it's him."

I have a 470uF 35v laying around, I want to try this in my JMP 50w (1987 circuit)

[Michael R/T]

[dirtycooter]

Wow, now a les paul man? Must be you found your own short scale set neck like Eds destroyer then.
Its the fact he used the frank and the destroyer-two completely different axes-that always told me there was nothing special really about franky per sey and it was more the rest of the gear. You honestly cannot tell on vh1 which guitar is used from just listening.

[rgalpin]

You honestly cannot tell on vh1 which guitar is used from just listening.

i agree. but so many people claim they can hear the difference that it makes me think i'm just deaf i guess - but come on, it all sounds the same! [duck] i bet if he'd have played those two different axes through the setups he used later on with less gain you could of heard the difference. i love vhi but the thought of an amp that makes every guitar sound the same is kinda - .

[dirtycooter]

I know dude and hear you...that would so suck
who in the hell would want to be stuck with VH1 tone ALL THE TIME!?


Maybe if we all had it we'd be sick of it by now and move on to somethin tougher to get like.....
90's/00's Mesa Boogie rectifier tones . I mean everyone sounds so unique to themselves through those
NOT!!!


I can't believe I have desicrated this forum with the words "Mesa Boogie Rectifier".
Them are like potty mouth words around here

[Ralle]

It's like a kind of realm... within a sertain area... I'm trying to find the boarders of that realm... but anything within it would work fine... I mean, what if another guy would've gotten their hands on that amp from the begining... nobody would ever dig so deep into what other gear was used... but instead be content with what they had ( as long as the amp is the same )... wich leads to my earlier statement; that it's not that important what other gear was used, cause if the amp wrong, you will never get where it is you're going... it's been looked at from the wrong angle... get the amp first - then get the rest of the gear... if you want to... if you didn't find that it was better with this or that guitar, or this effect... or what ever...
Hell, you might even disscover that you didn't care that much for that amp... that something else would fit you better...
The same technic, pick, strings, tubes, guitar, underwear, shoes... would be nessacary to exactly copy Ed's sound... not to mention his hands...
But you'd get a long ( maybe different ) way with the SAME AMP

[jnew]

Wanted to get home and hear this on decent speakers before I posted. This one sounds exceptional to your others Ralle. I look for a lot in the pick slides when I listen to VH and your pick slides going into the lower E-part of the riff tells lots. Is that all natural SAG happening or are you variac'd. I can't remember. Great sounding amp though.

[rgalpin]

Yes I've seen that... thanx for sharing all the same...
Well, here is a perfect example of what not to get stuck on... John says it's a 69 plexi... some sy at's a 67, and some say it's a 68... some say it's with 820 ohm in v1b, some say it's 2.7k ( in fact Mark C is the only one I've seen that says that )...
John allso says it's a 470u across the .68u in v2... can't be a secret if he say so... he allso say the whole amp is stock except for that fat cap... while other info say there was a change of the filtercaps + some other stuff...

It's impossible to eaven try to figgure out what's going on... the only way to do it is to exlude the posibillity it's an all stock, with all normal values... and the most valuable info is the two none typical, but stock parts... looking at it, there isn't that many places in an amp that does it...
My ears tells me that it had 2.7k in v1b... 47k/16 ohm NFB... 2.2nF lead coupling... that is if I'm looking at the early demo sound... wich I am... no fat cap... the two odd parts figgurerd out... In other words; a VERY regular 1959 superlead, with all the most common values in such an amp from that eara... These two odd parts makes it possible to get that sound... to make the amp work in such a manner so that it is possible to dial it like Ed did... with or with out the variac... My theory is that it shouldn't matter that much what kind of pu is used... the right core will appear anyway... of cours the variac and pu's matter... but it won't help if the rest of the amp isn't right...

Hi Ralle, did you say what the 2 none typical parts are? as i read this thread i feel like i dropped in on the second half of a conversation where the 2 none typical parts you mention are mentioned by name.

What are the 2 parts you are referring to?

[Ralle]

I haven't revealed the two parts... well, I did reveal one part wich I discovererd, in the earlier thread, but I don't think that's it... I found another, more likely part...
I said the PI input cap should be .047u... but I think it was the mid cap that had another value; .047u
This is one of the two parts... wich is a theory of my own... that's why I can show it to you... But the other part was given to me by a person I made a prommise to I wouldn't reveal...

Btw, I would like to keep a door open for the 820ohm/.068u cathod in v1b... as well as for the 27k/8ohm NFB