I just had to... new clip... some changes...

[YMI5150?]

Here's my Frankie with a Super 70 pup. the second half of the clip sounds much more like VH II to me. this is my rig attenuated through EFraser's blackbacks and him behind the wheel from our summit.

http://www.soundclick.com/player/single ... 75417&q=hi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Ralle]

Ralle,

That sounds really really good. Interestingly ( at least to me), I was listening to some of your clips yesterday on Soundclick. The thing about your tone versus mine is the crispness. That is the best way I can describe it. It isn't necessarily sizzle, although there is sizzle but the tone is crisp and tight. I have to think that a piece lies in your hands and pressure or lack thereof impacting the tone.

So, I have a MM 1300 (13.92k) and I really like it. When I first put it in, it was very muddy and ugly. BUT, when I dialed it away from the strings, the tone blossomed. It showed me out the distance to the strings can really impact a pickups tone.

I am curious if you tried adjusting the MM 1300 on your guitar. It may yield better or different results.

Anyway, keep up the good work.

Roger

My 1300 is allmost 14.5k... I get right on it...

[Ralle]

I just recorded a clip of the same song... with my 1300... hmm... not sure... there's something to it, but it's kinda grainy to me... I did lowe the pu from the strings, and it helped... but there's something missing

[bmf5150]

I think ur chasing ur tail without using the correct speakers!

[Ralle]

I don't know... as long as I have the same reference, I can hear what's lackling or adding, using these speakers...
the speakers woundn't be my first choise of correction, if I wanted to EXACTLY copy Ed's sound... I would have to buy a... well , first of all; different tubes... perhaps a variac...
But I understand what you mean... I haven't heard the pre rola speakers, so I'll have to take your word for it...
But I think I'm ok as long as I'm using the same speakers for my different tests... especially when I'm playing at these low volumes that I do...

[TWANGGG]

This is interesting. I'm glad you took the time to stick your MM1300 back in and record another clip.

I loaded both the MM1400 and MM1300 clips of yours in to my recording software(Sonar) and enjoyed listening and comparing them for quite a while this evening. I really was surprised that there wasn't that much difference between them. Did you tweak your amp settings or something else maybe? It didn't sound like you shifted the mic's location on the speaker to me.

You're capturing quite a bit of hiss in your recordings, by the way. It kinda sounds like your recording to tape. Any idea what's going on there? I can't remember what your recording set-up is, remind me if you would.

[somethin'else]

I don't hear tone changes ... to the amp or to the pickup either, really. What I DO hear is a Definite clarity in the 1400. Like when your riding the single notes open A or the G during the verses. Noticable more clear and staccato-like = punch and attack. And in the hanging chords. They hang longer, clearer. I love the 1400 for that. The 1300 puts the extra 'hair' on it and starts to smear everything together, and imparts a bit of 'other distortion' which doesn't seem always 'harmonic'. Which may be more 'appropriate', but my prefs is for the 1400, especially for doing more than just pre-VH1 music.

... it requirers more effort in the playing...
When I listen to it, I have to say MM1400, but when I play, I say DSD...

Exactly! A cleaner pup makes you work harder for sure. It also allows you to attack things in a much broader range of degrees. I'd think the higher output pup would do some of the work for you! It's great to hear you on that 1400. You can really hear the technique and feel so much more, like it's really coming out of your hands and less out of the 'tools' at hand.

Nice Fucking Work Ralle!

[dirtycooter]

Sounds phenominal!!! So close and so authentic. I wouldn't get too caught up in the speaker thing. The majority of the closest clips i hear aren't original blackbacks. Not saying there aren't some bb clips out there just as good. But seriously, nothin wrong with the cones you got. This clip smokes anything anyone had over 5 years ago easy. Undeniable how it could be the actual recording of Ed it seems to fit that well. If you'd have done that back then you would be getting pummeled right now with so many questions!

[jape88]

I don't know... as long as I have the same reference, I can hear what's lackling or adding, using these speakers...
the speakers woundn't be my first choise of correction, if I wanted to EXACTLY copy Ed's sound... I would have to buy a... well , first of all; different tubes... perhaps a variac...
But I understand what you mean... I haven't heard the pre rola speakers, so I'll have to take your word for it...
But I think I'm ok as long as I'm using the same speakers for my different tests... especially when I'm playing at these low volumes that I do...

Ralle, I agree with you with the reference, you've choose to do your tone search based on 6402's and your MM1400 clip is to me exactly like Ed's tone in the song ...well done. Changing the speakers would mean altering things in other areas... so really if you reduce the amount of things in the chain or stick with at least one or two it's much easier to concentrate efforts to fine tune ...the big down side is, what works for you will different tonally in someone else's set up. You have a very scaled down rig compared to most here which I think is cool at lot will always play through the EP3 or variations in their chain then do their amp tweaking which is all good but at the end of the day it's what you hear as the final product that counts.
I've got pulsonics, BB 1777's and 6402's and they all are tonally different, but I do think the pulsonics do have an element of 'cork stiffing' I don't personally think they are the solution to the Brown sound and for me I mix them with BB's as on their own it's too creamy for want of a better word and BB's give that extra bite/harshness. As to what Ed actually used on the recordings we'll probably never know, but we do know he used BB's as CPA has one of Ed's tour cabs and has confirmed that's what's inside. The 6204 cone is out the era but these where designed to replicate the greenback so they are a safe bet in respect of price and the fact it's a gamble buying old pulsonics, what looks great in a pic can be tonally dead, storage is a big thing with a paper cone.

Glad to see you got an MM1400 mate.

[rgorke]

I just recorded a clip of the same song... with my 1300... hmm... not sure... there's something to it, but it's kinda grainy to me... I did lowe the pu from the strings, and it helped... but there's something missing

Listening to both clips the you can hear the graininess of the 1300, which may be better for some and not for others. It is good to hear their differences. But, this goes to my recent thread about "It's all the Amp." Or mostly the amp. The pickups add different aspects just as Stan said that speakers would add or subtract different tonal characteristics. I agree that you probably wouldn't want to change a whole lot right now as to not know exactly what made the change vis a vis speakers or pickup.

I know you are running the Dave F specs. Do these clips have the fat cap: 0.68 and ??? on V2?
What is your filtering? 50+50 on screens and Mains, 32+32 on Pre?

Your tone seems very tight and has a sag coming from the trannies rather than the filtering. Seems to me that the lower filtering helps in getting some to the Dutch treat but could cause it to be too dark and soft. If that makes sense.

Thanks and still great work.

[MrBeasty]

[somethin'else]

Hey I think the 1400 breathes real good, and aside from all the variables: amp specs, powerbraking, speakers, etc. I think you'll dialed up a fat one, ralle. I'm sure if you let off that Pbrake, the speakers would contribute Even More. And if you had an EP3 or even an EP-Pre in front, THEN it would blossom like F---. That's why I like the 1400 with your setup. It's kind of a great, perfect "base" to go anywhere from, output-wise. Shoot I wonder if I could slap a ceramic in my HO A5 8.9k jobby?

[garbeaj]

Here's my Frankie with a Super 70 pup. the second half of the clip sounds much more like VH II to me. this is my rig attenuated through EFraser's blackbacks and him behind the wheel from our summit.

http://www.soundclick.com/player/single ... 75417&q=hi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sounds like Davey Johnstone to me! I think the Super 70 sounds great...And I love your B/W Frankie! Sounds a little trebly to me, but I like it a little more on the toppy side than the in the mud...

[dazzlindino]

awesome playing....
the 1400 is way eddie...
the 1300 is way ronnie montrose....

[IloveMyMarshall]

Ain't no one going to touch that!! Ralle you been around a long time my friend I still remember the first time I heard some of your clips before metro you cant get any closer then that. Nit pick whatever its in the mans HANDS! Dude did you like know Ed or something or is it in the water over there. Always a pleasure hearing you jam!