Slaving a Plexi Project

[hotforteacher921]

i am eternally jealous...

[Atomic Punk]

I think it sounds really good. It's pretty much there, the only difference really is the studio. I A/B/A'd a section and then EQ'd the last part. I not very good at EQing but you can hear that it is soo close.

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oh and just curious, what gauge pick are you using? It sounds like it's pretty thick because you can hear it in the playing

[rockstah]

interesting. do the same thing with DTNA riff. still a few things to try here. fender heavy.

[Kapo_Polenton]

Anything rockstah plays through sounds like EVH. The NEW challenge for him would be to NOT sound like EVH lol. Rockstah, can you play one of your bb preamps through your plexi so I can hear whether or not you end up with a similar tone as i get through mine? Just a thought... now back to this thread!

[rockstah]

listen to some of my line 6 clips in my signature - some actually sound like me. besides in looking at ed's sound i gotta play the part so we can hear it.

[Gainfreak]

I think it sounds killer! Im just wondering why you made the second amp a slave type amp and didn't leave it stock? I thought Mark Cameron mentioned to send the load signal to a regular plexi type amp and Im just wonderin why you bypassed the preamp or should I say part of the preamp?

This is just curiousity here! I think it sounds killer as is but Im just wondering!!

all the best!

~R~

[rockstah]

heres where im at with it...the thing with going into the front of a plexi is that you go through all stages - input stage, tone stage before you hit the phase inverter.
this is wacky for a couple reasons.
first you get either a real thin sound on stock bright channel ( even if u have no bright cap installed )or you get a reall bassy sound on the normal channel and second you get to go through the tone stack. weee!!
sure it would be nice to have that flexibility of having the tone stack in the mix but at the point the circuit would have to be modified anyway to have a more than a few somewhat useful sounds.

all i did was take the return of an effects loop and install it on v1 rather than adding another tube. (if one wanted to add an effects loop to a plexi they would add a tube)

if this were installed in the amp the circuit would be right where i have now. (after the tone stack and before the phase inverter. )


i could just add a tube and install it in the amp but for now its what it is.

Mark

[fivecoyote]

I'll try to word this right -- to me it sounds very, very good -- all the elements are there, but most interesting to me is it has the all-important "clank," for lack of a better word. Ed's studio sounds (especially I, II and WACF) have it and so does this clip -- almost like you can hear individual strings banging on the fretboard, in a good way. The clank works because of the clarity of each string, what some might call high headroom -- like one string or one note fills the available space, doesn't sound thin or compressed or buzzy -- just bigger than life. This slaving/re-amping (what is the correct term once and for all?) seems like the only way to get that. I can offer no criticism. Great stuff, Mark.

[IloveMyMarshall]

Ok what did you do to the second amp? Explain, you bypassed what to what v1 to PI?? Jesus man what can one say about your clips bro honestly??? I love that fking tone!!! and that Super Distortion W/V simply kicks ass! And hey whats up with the chops there buddy> you only been playing this shit 20 years now LOL I have bust your balls man!! To my ears sound great but what the hell do I know wait for Stan he will drill ya LOL

Excellent!!

im wating for stan and whom ever to tear it apart - i depend on it.

looking at an effects loop i took the return portion of it and wired it into v1a then straight from that tube into the in of the phase inverter - so you can look at this setup as if i had an amp with an effects loop and plugged the line out of a loaded plexi into its return.

oh and uh....i put the mistake in on purpose so you would know it wasn't the original recording of dance the night. NOT! .... and its been 30 years

Speaking of DTNA that is pretty much dead on, what did you do different? Recording wize mark? This doesn't sound like your normal setup recording? Different verb delay and hell yes what ever you did to the second amp, and plus your main plexi is a beast work horse. I will keep an eye open on this post as I'm sure once the gang gets wind of this clip and setup much is to be learned.
Dude you are turning into Jose!!! You Definably conquered this stuff!!

[ericopp]

Yup. If ya want that VH1 tone... you gotta slave it!

[908ssp]

Remember the H-H amps don't have any preamp or tone stack and that is what Eddie choose to use when he had the choice. I have to think it makes more sense in every way. I wouldn't be surprised if it is closer to what he was doing. But I don't think there is anyway to know for sure. How may times have you heard guys say the effects sound so much clearer after the amp before the re-amp? Maybe because there is no added distortion after the effects.

[rockstah]

im hearing that slaving gives you that amp about to explode and that golrious headroom ed has. that almost hifi sound to his tone. few more things im going to try to fine tune it - more clips to come.



i have not changed anything in the way i record it or effects used on previous clips.

Mark

[rockstah]

Remember the H-H amps don't have any preamp or tone stack and that is what Eddie choose to use when he had the choice. I have to think it makes more sense in every way. I wouldn't be surprised if it is closer to what he was doing. But I don't think there is anyway to know for sure. How may times have you heard guys say the effects sound so much clearer after the amp before the re-amp? Maybe because there is no added distortion after the effects.

exactly my thinking that lead me to modding the second amp. i wanted straight power;)

[vkaxeman]

Mark Edward Van Abraham,
Absolutely freaking amazing Dude! I was convinced before that what Ed used on VH1 was a plexi modified to a 2203 based on plexi1stratthemod5 and rgalpin's 2203 mod clips. To me those were the closest I had heard until now. The slave setup has that extra amount of fizzle sound that I hear on the original recording.
As far as I can tell the only thing left to do now is marry Valerie.

[Kapo_Polenton]

Just checked out Rockstah's soundclips... he even gets amazing tones out of line 6 stuff!!! Still though, his contributions on this forum are sure as hell more useful than people like me who start threads when they have problems. hehe.