Clips of 1K on v1b

rgalpin · Post by **rgalpin** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:53 pm

harddriver wrote:Rgalpin,

Sounds great man I am digging the tone.

Did your tone seem raspier or hairier with the 2.7K on V1B versus the 1K?

Thanks for all the clips on your journey it help us all hear the subtle differences in the speculated specs on EVH's amp then like you can decided what we like from what we hear.

I will bet the amp sound great live! Amps seems to record more distorted than theyare live sometimes as well.

Did you artificially heat your 100K plate resistors like MM to get them to drift or did they read higher to begin with?

cool man - thanks for the input.

to my ears - 2.7k is a little "squawkier" and my amp always seems to be a little heavy on the squawk - i actually have to try to AVOID pinching off those squawky harmonics with my pick attack because the amp is so sensitive it goes into "squawk overdrive" and it can sound silly. so, i'm glad to have a little less of that in there.

the Allen Bradleys i bought from george's store were already drifted - the 100K measured at 109K right out of the baggie.

bmf5150 · Post by **bmf5150** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:58 pm

if your not using sylvaina 12ax7wa your never going to get it perfect.12 series plexis didnt have the 2.7k on the v1b only had an 820ohm.i agree with the others go with the 3 henry choke!

bmf5150 · Post by **bmf5150** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:00 pm

as allways great playing!!!!

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:25 pm

what Stan said,you need a 820 on v1b for your 12 series.

again i hear the 820 on v1b as being gainier. it is thinner than the fatter 2.7k. which i agree with tango - later albums -

i would bet anything VH1 was 820 on v1b

also split the difference on your choke and get the 7h choke in the store. its what is in Dave Friedman's Variplex. i use it as well.

sounds great dude.
Mark

bmf5150 · Post by **bmf5150** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:51 pm

rockstah wrote:what Stan said,you need a 820 on v1b for your 12 series.

again i hear the 820 on v1b as being gainier. it is thinner than the fatter 2.7k. which i agree with tango - later albums -

i would bet anything VH1 was 820 on v1b

also split the difference on your choke and get the 7h choke in the store. its what is in Dave Friedman's Variplex. i use it as well.

sounds great dude.
Mark

interesting,i allways thought the 820 ohm was fatter sounding with less gain and a with a tad bit more mids.thats the way i hear it at least..i have a switch on the back of my amp so i can switch between the 2.7k or the 820 ohm.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:58 pm

bmf5150 wrote:
rockstah wrote:what Stan said,you need a 820 on v1b for your 12 series.

again i hear the 820 on v1b as being gainier. it is thinner than the fatter 2.7k. which i agree with tango - later albums -

i would bet anything VH1 was 820 on v1b

also split the difference on your choke and get the 7h choke in the store. its what is in Dave Friedman's Variplex. i use it as well.

sounds great dude.
Mark
interesting,i allways thought the 820 ohm was fatter sounding with less gain and a with a tad bit more mids.thats the way i hear it at least..i have a switch on the back of my amp so i can switch between the 2.7k or the 820 ohm.

that is interesting. to me the 820 is a tighter sound - more focused and thinner than the fuller fatter 2.7k.

Tone Slinger · Post by **Tone Slinger** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:18 pm

Wow ! Someones right here. Cant wait to find out for myself.

rgalpin · Post by **rgalpin** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:12 pm

2.7 is squawkier and less filling!

bmf5150 · Post by **bmf5150** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:50 pm

its funny how you can talk to 2 different people and get different answers!!lol

rgalpin · Post by **rgalpin** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:29 pm

dudes - i am changing my choke out right now on a freak quest to match ed's tone - meanwhile playing in the background is aerosmith, train kep' a rollin' - the opening solo - oh man - that is the best tone ever recorded in the history of earth. jjjjjjjjjjjeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz!! that has the sweet tone that george gets on his amps - dag - that is the shit! ok - back to the choke... why do they stick those screws all the way under the freakin' board - ?

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keep the train a rollin'

awangotango · Post by **awangotango** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:32 pm

sometimes it might just be a confusion in terms since our language is basically sound in the air, or typed letters, trying to create mental images to convey meaning from one isolated bag of skin to another. And sometimes what a listener hears, both in sound and language, gets distorted further. But these incomplete images and analogies are all we have starting back from the first word in the dictionary.... So in myexperience, the 2.7k is 'tighter' in the same way a metal panel is tighter than a plexi -in the mids.
The metal panel is not 'fuller' sounding but can pack a different punch. It actually uses less of the frequency range, but because guitar is a mid instrument, the muscle is still there, less fat. A metal panel's low end is looser-feedback, but the mids are tighter, high end is more pronounced.
In contrast, A plexi's low end is tighter, the mids are looser, the high end is less pronounced.
Think of two different types of boxers and the kind of force their punch may have. A forman is 820, lots of mass, but not as much sting in each individual punch, and holyfield 2.7k who is leaner, tighter and would sting more. and tyson is an 820 that drifted off-spec lol. .....
back to topic, Too 'full' a tone might not pack the same punch because the tone is not concentrated.... it's spread-out more. The two types of amps, plexi and metalpanel, and the two types of v1b just squeeze the tone differently, for another non-technical way to think of it.

Tone Slinger · Post by **Tone Slinger** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:36 pm

Hell yeah, I can get at that. Great analogies !

bmf5150 · Post by **bmf5150** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:51 pm

awangotango wrote:sometimes it might just be a confusion in terms since our language is basically sound in the air, or typed letters, trying to create mental images to convey meaning from one isolated bag of skin to another. And sometimes what a listener hears, both in sound and language, gets distorted further. But these incomplete images and analogies are all we have starting back from the first word in the dictionary.... So in myexperience, the 2.7k is 'tighter' in the same way a metal panel is tighter than a plexi -in the mids.
The metal panel is not 'fuller' sounding but can pack a different punch. It actually uses less of the frequency range, but because guitar is a mid instrument, the muscle is still there, less fat. A metal panel's low end is looser-feedback, but the mids are tighter, high end is more pronounced.
In contrast, A plexi's low end is tighter, the mids are looser, the high end is less pronounced.
Think of two different types of boxers and the kind of force their punch may have. A forman is 820, lots of mass, but not as much sting in each individual punch, and holyfield 2.7k who is leaner, tighter and would sting more. and tyson is an 820 that drifted off-spec lol. .....
back to topic, Too 'full' a tone might not pack the same punch because the tone is not concentrated.... it's spread-out more. The two types of amps, plexi and metalpanel, and the two types of v1b just squeeze the tone differently, for another non-technical way to think of it.

WOW,that was the perfect way to describe it!!i totally agree with your opinion!!

jnewlyn · Post by **jnewlyn** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:50 am

Shit man, dat dare's some good tone. I'd agree with the 820 (or in this case, the 1K) on V1B having put that in my 100 watter as well. I'm hearing and feeling more grind and fuller in the low mids as well. I've ordered up a couple of dem dar Webers too as these clips have pretty much convinced me that those early VH recordings used some pulsonic type pre rola cones. I'm hearing the same texture of grit in the distortion character of them. If your feeling that it's smoother than you'd like, that could very well be because of attenuation but to be honest with you, what you've got going on now is probably as close as you'd ever need to pull off any VH gig. Studio or live.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:29 am

try an 820 on v1b -