Whats with the first chord in Eruption?

[jakebrown5]

Is it just me, or does that first open A power chord on Eruption sound funny? If you listen carefully, it has a weird flavor to it, like more distortion maybe?

Maybe I'm just hearing the bass note ring with the guitar there.....but does anybody hear what I'm talking about?

[rockstah]

Is it just me, or does that first open A power chord on Eruption sound funny? If you listen carefully, it has a weird flavor to it, like more distortion maybe?

Maybe I'm just hearing the bass note ring with the guitar there.....but does anybody hear what I'm talking about?

as the story goes - Ed was working on his live solo ideas when Ted ( producer ) heard him and said "we have to get that on tape."

I think i also remember this was spliced from a few takes of Ed just " noodlin"

as i hear it, it is 5 different passes( guitar takes/tracks ) put together that make up Eruption.

0:00 - intro
0:04 part 2
0:18 part 3
0:21 part 4
0:47 outro

[Mr G]

Its also slightly out of pitch with the rest of the track... %=)

[gf3364]

Is it just me, or does that first open A power chord on Eruption sound funny? If you listen carefully, it has a weird flavor to it, like more distortion maybe?

Maybe I'm just hearing the bass note ring with the guitar there.....but does anybody hear what I'm talking about?

as the story goes - Ed was working on his live solo ideas when Ted ( producer ) heard him and said "we have to get that on tape."

I think i also remember this was spliced from a few takes of Ed just " noodlin"

as i hear it, it is 5 different passes( guitar takes/tracks ) put together that make up Eruption.

0:00 - intro
0:04 part 2
0:18 part 3
0:21 part 4
0:47 outro

Is it me or at the 0:38 second point, when the bar dive comes back up, is the pitch not higher than it should be as though the old stock bar is slightly out of tune??

[JimiJames]

Is it me or at the 0:38 second point, when the bar dive comes back up, is the pitch not higher than it should be as though the old stock bar is slightly out of tune??

It is higher... It is posible to perceive, spliced from a few takes which "maybe?" are from one session or two-tree days (of tuning) for arguments sake.
But, Edwardo is too proficient in his game and took care of business on that 1 day.

Pointing out and assuming he is using a Floyd Rose pat pend. locking trem
new ones stay in tune pretty much on the money. The more used ones tend to loose their knife edge at the fulcrum
which is persistant to what you are hearing in pitch variation.

Maybe, even, the fact that it's in Eb tuned by ear and not necessarily in A430...???

Was this solo preformed on the White Kramer? I think so...?

Maybe rockstah could elaborate on this some more...

[rockstah]

Is it me or at the 0:38 second point, when the bar dive comes back up, is the pitch not higher than it should be as though the old stock bar is slightly out of tune??

It is higher... It is posible to perceive, spliced from a few takes which "maybe?" are from one session or two-tree days (of tuning) for arguments sake.
But, Edwardo is too proficient in his game and took care of business on that 1 day.

Pointing out and assuming he is using a Floyd Rose pat pend. locking trem
new ones stay in tune pretty much on the money. The more used ones tend to loose their knife edge at the fulcrum
which is persistant to what you are hearing in pitch variation.

Maybe, even, the fact that it's in Eb tuned by ear and not necessarily in A430...???

Was this solo preformed on the White Kramer? I think so...?

Maybe rockstah could elaborate on this some more...

we are talking eruption arent we? Van Halan one baby no floyd there - infact i dont think ed used a Floyd rose in the studio until 1984 - he used them on them live sometime before that though. ed didnt like teh way the floyd sounded " tiny"... eruption was preformed on ed's black and white strat with a stock fender trem. its even on the back cover of Van Halen 1.

as well i remember reading in those days( van halen 1) Ed just tuned down and Mike tuned to him so its possible its not quite Eb.

[BrownSound1]

Ed used a prototype Floyd live by 1979 or 1980 I do believe. It didn't have fine tuners on it at that point, and it was later marketed in that form to Kramer and used on the Striker series junk. The recorded version of Eruption is like Mark said...a stock Fender vibrato, which is probably why the pitch is off after that dive. I think Ed was using a Floyd with fine tuners in the studio before 1984...I know he had them when Diver Down was recorded, and his guitars had the earlier model at least when Women and Children First was recorded.

Now when he started endorsing Kramers they tried to get him to use Rockinger vibratos, but Ed didn't like them, and Floyd Rose got the business.

You can see pictures of Ed with the early Floyd Rose on his blue and yellow Charvel at Vintage Kramer.

[jakebrown5]

But what about the very first open chord, at 0:03? It doesn't sound out of tune to me.....it's like a different flavor of distortion then the rest of the track. None of Ed's guitar work on any other piece sounds like that.

[JimiJames]

...None of Ed's guitar work on any other piece sounds like that.

Wow !?! That's a heavy duty statement there... What ear training school did you go to son...
Better check my 6 million dollar ear piece...
Got to get the new upgrade for 1.3 second wave scanning...
Cheaper yet I'll just watch that show "name that tune in 1 chord" !

[JimiJames]

Well..... Maybe this is what ter hearin' witdat 1st chord........... ? I dunno?

Couple interesting things. This may put to rest the discussions of Van Halen's Ibanez Destroyer and the type of wood it was.

Notice the slightly misleading wording on the finish of the guitar...I'm sure many mistook this when considering or purchasing the guitar back then.

http://ca.geocities.com/vresmoc@rogers. ... troyer.jpg


The other thing I've always found interesting when people are chasing the EVH tone off of VH1, many overlook that he used the Destroyer for most of the record. I don't think it had a custom wound pickup but rather the white, stock Ibanez (V2 or whatever they called it...like a Super PAF spec) series pickup.

The Ash, the guitar itself, fixed bridge/tailpiece, and this higher output pickup may attribute to some of that thick, compressed sounding sustain he had.

Anyhow...food for thought maybe?

[jakebrown5]

What ear training school did you go to son...

Aren't you being a little harsh? What are you trying to say? All of Eddie's Ab chords sound like that? Maybe you misunderstood me. When I meant Ed's "guitar work," I meant "guitar sound," not his style or technique.

I'll just watch that show "name that tune in 1 chord" !

I understand what you're getting at, but I actually think most on this forum could tell they were listening to Eruption even if they heard 1.3 seconds of it....

[JimiJames]

What ear training school did you go to son...

Aren't you being a little harsh? What are you trying to say? All of Eddie's Ab chords sound like that? Maybe you misunderstood me. When I meant Ed's "guitar work," I meant "guitar sound," not his style or technique.

I'll just watch that show "name that tune in 1 chord" !

I understand what you're getting at, but I actually think most on this forum could tell they were listening to Eruption even if they heard 1.3 seconds of it....

I's all good Well now I see what you said...My crystal ball was a little dusty... You meant "guitar sound," 'cause most on this forum would of taken Ed's work as "Ed's work"
Sorry 'bout the type 'o I meant "name that tone in 1 chord" ! I think I could of guessed Eruption in 1.2 seconds !

[jakebrown5]

I's all good

Haha all right, second that. I guess that was an error on my part, you're right.....