5600p on vol I

For all things to build the brown sound

Moderators: VelvetGeorge, RACKSYSTEMS

User avatar
VelvetGeorge
Site Owner
Posts: 7233
Joined: Tue Oct 14, 2003 5:12 pm
Just the numbers in order: 13492
Location: The Murder Mitten
Contact:

Re: 5600p on vol I

Post by VelvetGeorge » Sun May 12, 2013 10:13 am

I'm all for the switchable bright cap! It makes the 12 series so much more versatile. Not to mention fantastic for pedals with the cap out.
My old amp has 5,000pf ceramic and it does get really bright at lower volume settings. I usually have to back off the presence to compensate.

Keep in mind that as you raise the bright cap value you are allowing more frequencies to pass unattenuated. So the 5,000 is passing lots of mids also. Making the volume control basically an ajustable high pass filter.
The corner frequency is determined by the cap value and R of the volume pot setting.

It's interesting that you can hear the cap when the pot is dimed. In theory you shouldn't. But the cap adds another path, especially for high freqs, through that part of the circuit.

Another cool trick to mellow out harsh bright caps is to add a resistor in series. Try something in the 47k to 470k range.

George
Check out Plexi Replicas for my personal amp builds...
Image

User avatar
rgalpin
Senior Member
Posts: 3668
Joined: Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:08 am
Location: Washington, DC

Re: 5600p on vol I

Post by rgalpin » Tue May 14, 2013 1:02 pm

VelvetGeorge wrote: My old amp has 5,000pf ceramic and it does get really bright at lower volume settings. I usually have to back off the presence to compensate.

Another cool trick to mellow out harsh bright caps is to add a resistor in series. Try something in the 47k to 470k range.

George
Thanks George - I'll try that resistor in series. I suppose that resists some of the highs that are passing without changing the corner fq. Cool. I cheat by lowering the highs on my Weber Mass 150 when it gets too much at the lower settings - nice to have all those variables to work with.

User avatar
Strat78
Senior Member
Posts: 3093
Joined: Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:38 pm
Just the numbers in order: 13492
Location: though I'm standing still, I'm in a moving place.

Re: 5600p on vol I

Post by Strat78 » Tue May 14, 2013 1:52 pm

The 5600p looked absurd to me till I realized that that was what I had in my amp which is sounding so good these days. Having the volume pot act like a "high pas filter" and gain control has been nice. Try the 2.7k at V1B as another angle of attack to work with the 5600p, it retains the diamond in the rough quality while polishing the highs.

SteadyEddie
Senior Member
Posts: 1035
Joined: Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:55 pm
Just the numbers in order: 7

Re: 5600p on vol I

Post by SteadyEddie » Tue May 14, 2013 3:20 pm

Strat78 wrote:The 5600p looked absurd to me till I realized that that was what I had in my amp which is sounding so good these days. Having the volume pot act like a "high pas filter" and gain control has been nice. Try the 2.7k at V1B as another angle of attack to work with the 5600p, it retains the diamond in the rough quality while polishing the highs.
2.7k cathode resistor? I was thinking of trying that myself. Should tighten up the sound.

Post Reply