1973 marshall cab restoration project.

leleduke · Post by **leleduke** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:02 am

This is a 1973 cab I purchased off of fleabay with the original greybacks. It was recovered by a monkey so I re-tolexed and put a new grill cloth on it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... :IT&ih=012

The speaks were original.

Post by **Scumback Speakers** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:32 am

"The T1221 Cab and speakers are completly original but the wheels are not.The tolex has 6 small tears and the grill has some discoloration and 2 small holes. Marshall sells a reisue for $1200 you can have the real deal for the same money This item has been relisted due to an error on my part the paper on the speakers do not have codes this means that the paper cone of the speaker is not original the magnet and frames are. If your original bid was canceled please bid again Sorry for my error."

This cab had reconed speakers in it and needed retolexing, and you paid $1000 for it? Or did I read that wrong or miss something from the original auction?

robert · Post by **robert** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:01 am

1000$ are much too much, in my opinion.

@Jim:
I found out that Greyback- cones have obviously often odd cone numbers (e.g. the mid/late seventies in Orange-cabinets).
I own a Greyback G12H (from an ORANGE 4x12 cabinet) with a RIC 11 W cone, the date code is HA 14X and the basket No. is T-1217.
Seems strange to me, because these speakers are not listed in the HOM book.

leleduke · Post by **leleduke** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:21 am

Southbay Ampworks wrote:"The T1221 Cab and speakers are completly original but the wheels are not.The tolex has 6 small tears and the grill has some discoloration and 2 small holes. Marshall sells a reisue for $1200 you can have the real deal for the same money This item has been relisted due to an error on my part the paper on the speakers do not have codes this means that the paper cone of the speaker is not original the magnet and frames are. If your original bid was canceled please bid again Sorry for my error."

This cab had reconed speakers in it and needed retolexing, and you paid $1000 for it? Or did I read that wrong or miss something from the original auction?

The speakers are original cones. The guy didn't know, he assumed they were reconed.

robert · Post by **robert** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:31 am

Hi Duke,

what are the cone numbers on your Greybacks, and how do they sound in comparsion to Pre Rola G12M Greenbacks?

leleduke · Post by **leleduke** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:16 am

robert wrote:Hi Duke,

what are the cone numbers on your Greybacks, and how do they sound in comparsion to Pre Rola G12M Greenbacks?

I will let you know when I wire it up.

Post by **Scumback Speakers** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:44 am

leleduke wrote:
robert wrote:Hi Duke,

what are the cone numbers on your Greybacks, and how do they sound in comparsion to Pre Rola G12M Greenbacks?
I will let you know when I wire it up.

If they're KF, (September 73) then they should be either 102/3 or the RIC xxx cones. I haven't heard many of the RIC cones. Some say they're close to the Pulsonic 102 003 and 102/3 cones.

Let us know what you find out about them and what you think of them when you get it fired up.

beaulieu · Post by **beaulieu** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:53 am

i have a 73 marshall cab and the mag covers are long gone. I narrowed the speakers down to greybacks and I hear alot of greybacks didnt have any codes on the cones?? Anyone verify this??

Post by **Scumback Speakers** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:20 am

I've never seen an original Celestion cone without a code of some type. I've seen them with smeared codes, incomplete codes, codes in black ink and white, but they're on there somewhere.

Keep in mind that when they used black ink you had to use a flashlight and look very carefully. I've never seen a 102 003, 014 or similar Pulsonic cone with black ink, only the Kurt-Mueller 444 and 1777 cones. So if you don't see ANY white ink on the cone anywhere then you've probably got the 444 or 1777 cones, or recones from another manufacturer.

beaulieu · Post by **beaulieu** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:56 pm

im positive my 73 cab has the original speakers and I had 3 reconed but the one I didnt have reconed I cannot find a number anywhere!! I am the second owner and I asked the first owner if he ever replaced or reconed any speakers and he said no. Back when he had it I could see him replacing a spaeker and not reconing one. Plus the date codes all match!! I looked with a mirror can't see one.

leleduke · Post by **leleduke** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:39 pm

No codes on mine as with many others I have seen from 73.
With my 1987 I built this year

leleduke · Post by **leleduke** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:41 pm

beaulieu wrote:im positive my 73 cab has the original speakers and I had 3 reconed but the one I didnt have reconed I cannot find a number anywhere!! I am the second owner and I asked the first owner if he ever replaced or reconed any speakers and he said no. Back when he had it I could see him replacing a spaeker and not reconing one. Plus the date codes all match!! I looked with a mirror can't see one.

Original four screw cork gasket. not a recone.

philmanatee · Post by **philmanatee** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:36 am

My guy always reuses the cork gasket when I get a recone. Phil

Post by **Scumback Speakers** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:57 am

philmanatee wrote:My guy always reuses the cork gasket when I get a recone. Phil

When I have OCSR do one, they re-use the original as well.

Gents, I'm not here to bag (Scumbag?) on you. After having 400 plus old Celestions in my possession, they always have a code, if they're original.

Here's your RIC code pic from a mid 74 speaker:

Those pictures cover all the major cones used by Celestion from 65 on, so get out the flashlight and borrow a compact mirror from a lady friend and keep looking for those codes on the cone.

As you can tell from the pics, the black ink ones from the mid 70's are a lot harder to find. And not that the codes could be almost anywhere on the cone, but mostly up underneath the frame behind where the wires attach.

Hope this helps you find 'em....but I'm telling you one thing for sure...Celestion was pretty proud of their cone #'s for identification purposes...so they're usually there. If not...be suspicious, that's all I'm saying.

leleduke · Post by **leleduke** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:46 am

It should also have a code if reconed. This paper is old funky looking. I don't really think they are recones. I had to hit te sides of the basket to to get them loose. I saw an artical on the plexi palace about a guy that had a original 73 4x12 w/ greybacks without codes.