mushy ?

[frenchie]

i dunno if it's the settings , the guitar or anything but , i'd say if it sounds like this with an original wrek , i'm a bit dissapointed ;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f63C51qj9zo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

is it me or it sounds like a soup of indistinguishable notes with a king size winter blanket over it ? like it has the dryness of modern speakers and the loosyness of totally shot vintage speakers , i expected this to mix the qualities of both species not their drawbacks

if it's the settings then , damn why don't they break the speaker in before demo , and play it louder so as it works properly withing it's healthy range , here it sounds like a bullet in their own foot the heritage G12H 75hertz demo was far better sounding !

[bluesbreaking]

I hear what you're saying, but I think it might have just been hastily miced, especially because of the way the bass notes sounded. I'd be pretty interested in some more clips.

[somethin'else]

I agree, and George and Celestion need to step up and do the proper representation for his speaker if he/they want to crank 'em out. That was a pretty slack cut, fairly 'blah'-medium playing on a medium guitar, probably with a medium neck and medium frets through a medium cabinet, yuck. And isn't the TW amp thing a bit tired? I hope that wasn't the official Lynch Celestion release vid! What kind of amp does George use now? I'd like to hear those speakers through a real plexi (any top builder will do) and even a Fender or something, hell even a Vox AC30, with George at the helm on one of HIS guitars. He deserves to have it laid out right. Right? Hotel room low volume, yuck. They need to load a 4x12 and get them cooking in a much larger setting.

[frenchie]

through a medium cabinet, yuck.

i'm not betting , but it's fairly possible it even was an open back ... open back , small magnet speakers , low volume ... nah , no go guys

[johniss0001]

i play at bedroom levels with some vintage amps and cabinets and i've never experienced the tone being unable to breathe like that. There are many factors to take into conscideration with that video this is what i see ok that sm 57 is being used as a room mic slightly away from the speaker, and off axis right? sorry not good with terms i just place the mic where it sounds good also was it plugged into a small mixing board or straight through to a pc or laptop normally i always do a slight eq tweak after recording my amps to keep em sounding natural and compensate for mic.

Could the tubes be on their way out, could it be youtube's quality, could it be celestion? could it be the cabinet etc the way that guy is recording that amp personally i wouldn't use a 57 like that i'd be more tempted to use a condenser at that distance.

If any of my gear sounded like that on a recording or in a room i'd be very very very embarassed and my customers would come down on me like a ton of bricks!

[Froumy]

That didn't really sound too hot. I heard another Lynchback demo and it was really under-whelming.

Here's a proper Wreck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5LkMp0B5mo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMAYWeZVjGQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[frenchie]

Here's a proper Wreck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5LkMp0B5mo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMAYWeZVjGQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

weirdly here you can distinct the notes

i guess that's quite the proper guitar too and the proper cabinet ...... and the proper player .....and the proper mic'ing .... and also maybe the proper stars alignment

damn that's tastefully gritty

[SteadyEddie]

You got it right ... proper player. Glen knows how to play that amp.

[Froumy]

Glen and that amp work REAL well together...

Correction. It was the Lynch V12 Emminence that I was unimpressed with.

The 18 watt, the Golds with the Komet...They all weren't for me. I'm thinking it was the players taste,though. Dropping the volume(he does) will take away some bite, and I noticed he picked with his finger once to smooth out some more attack-on the front pick up! Why on earth would a guy be playing a Tele when he doesn't want to bite? I don't recall him using the bridge pickup at all.

Played with a guy that rolled his tone all the way off and turned on a piezo through a '65 Super... No accounting for the taste we're each entitled to. You'd think Celestion would want us to hear a traditional setup, but it was Premier Guitar's Vid.

Those are all tried and true amps-for my taste- plenty of proper clips to choose from. I kinda think the player was looking for a triple XXX. IMO, he may be a natural LP player, or at least desire's a bridge humbucker. I DID hear that Tele's are pretty trendy at the moment. Screw that. Find your real voice and embrace it. If this is his? Right on-even if we all get worked up about it. Just don't post it so we can all make bad decisions.

Think we'll have to wait for a proper Lynchback test...... You'd think premier guitar would've realized they didn't have a proper match. I don't think the player knew how to play the amp, and may not have found his voice......


Frenchie- I don't think it's the break-in. I prefer alnico's in their first 40 hours(big time - gone through 3 sets). After that? I'd rather blend them. If he has a decent tone, it should appeal to someone,regardless.

[frenchie]

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Frenchie- I don't think it's the break-in. I prefer alnico's in their first 40 hours(big time - gone through 3 sets). After that? I'd rather blend them. If he has a decent tone, it should appeal to someone,regardless.

yeah for alnicos i totally agree , stiff cones may compensate for the slow response of alnico magnets , but lynchback is a ceramic and when you hear it in the clip aside from the loosy characteristic of the speaker's response due to the settings there's definitely a papery , mm what do i say .... cardboxy/harsh hint on the notes , definitely not broken in for me , but it's just my two cents anyway ...
As you say the player also probably been throw a tele in his hands for the vid's purpose , you can see on his face he's not really having a real ball , he's probably a bucker player and tried to tweak the tele to get a more chunky sound out of his guitar ...by rolling off completely the tone pot but hey ... it's a tele ....rolling the pot down probably kills the bite but not the thinness ( ok depends also on the pu , i heard pretty chunky sound clips of don mare tele pickups , but here it probably wasn't juicy boutique pickups ) ^^

[Celestion101]

Hi Guys,

A few things....not excuses either, just laying out the facts; The mic was not well thought out...it's a 57 about 12" from the cab feeding directly into the camera. The amp was too loud for the video and that amps breakup was kind of old school muddy anyway (I'm much more into the Liverpool!). It was bound to not be a great representation of the speaker. Renee grabbed my "parts" tele without notice and did what he could on the spot. He's obviously not a chicken picker and would have been more at home with his guitar as he's a killer player. Obviously the tele is not the "go to" guitar for that style of 'rolling off the tone and using the neck pup' type of playing. The people that heard the speaker in person dug it, but unfortunately the video sounds like poo. Oh well, cant win them all but thankfully they're selling anyway! They are now available or your welcome to try one at my place if you're in So Cal. I've been gigging with them a lot and they're actually pretty cool. Think Greenback with more (and tighter) low end, and more clarity on top (without being brighter). Hopefully we'll get our own video's up soon. Cheers, Rick

[Froumy]

Greetings Rick! Thanks for stopping by.

You could kinda tell that he wasn't playing the amp/guitar in what most of consider a traditional way. Can't blame him either, if that's his style, or he's used to a different setup. I'd probably do the same thing. He was a fine player. I'm no tele player, either, but I do recognize a good tele tone-and the tone of all 3 of those amps. You wouldn't want me playin' a tele, either. That's why I figured the guitar was set a bit different than most of us are used to. Same goes for the mic. So the vid was a little bit of a bummer. Guess I was just trying to point out that it sounded like an inaccurate representation of everything, and everyone involved. Sry. That $h!t happens.

I don't know if youtube hits help you generate buzz/sales. The only decent Trainwreck clips I've come across are Glen's. If Renee was to play his guitar, properly mic'd, in a more traditional way, with the Wreck(yes, the Wreck brings us in), and your new model? I'm listening...And so is everyone else. Glen used to post under geetarpicker, and I seem to remember ALL of his clips having far more than 50,000 hits a piece, until he realized he'd be better served by getting his name out there. Add the new model, and the Celestion name? Who knows? I have no idea what your job entails, but I do know I'll click on a decent Wreck clip in a heartbeat. Is it wrong to beg for a do over?

We all look forward to a proper demonstration. Until then, can you verbalize the difference/comparisons the Lynchback has to your current line that we are all familiar with? Thanks, again. -Bob

[johniss0001]

hi rick my post wasn't a dig it was an open mind. that is exactly true about what that guy was doing with the 57. videos are hard to get right to be honest if you have a good enough camera then using a 57 is a waste of time imo because a 57 adds it's own colour to it. I made a vid to demonstrate some custom pickups i did and i just used the camera mic and it gave a very good impression of what i was hearing in the room very accurate imo but good cameras are $$$$ and people are using their idiot phones now to make vids i've seen it also shame my playing wasn't really good enough.

As mentioned earlier there were several factors to take into conscideration luckily celestion doesn't really need any gimmicks as such to sell their products it's all merits of famous users who use em and cabinet makers. However videos can also make or break a product I've watched several videos on tubes and speakers and after watching those fantastic videos i've wanted those products! this is off topic but i feel it's relevant i own a 78 superbass and it copies lemmy's sound soo damn well it's the right amp and i watched a video demo of the 1992lem and after hearing that what a load of garbage why would i spend my hard earned dosh on one of those it sounds nothing like the real amp again it could be guitar the player the camera etc.