What order of effects?

[OdgeUK]

I have:

A Morley 'Bad Horsie' wah (true bypass apparently)
A Boss BD-2 Blues Driver (for solo boost)
A Boss BF-2 Bass Flanger (For those rare 'Unchained' moments)
A Boss MT-2 Metal Zone (for those Heavy Metal moments)
An MXR Phase 90 (to thicken lead sound and for crazy clean sounds)

I need to put these babies into a pedal board, but have no idea what order to put them in, or which should go through the effects loop of my Marshall Jubilee 2555. Anyone give me any pointers?

Also, I need a reverb and delay (these will probably be Boss units that i'll buy soon). Where would these fit in?

Will I lose all my tone with this number of stompboxes??

[flemingmras]

I have:

A Morley 'Bad Horsie' wah (true bypass apparently)
A Boss BD-2 Blues Driver (for solo boost)
A Boss BF-2 Bass Flanger (For those rare 'Unchained' moments)
A Boss MT-2 Metal Zone (for those Heavy Metal moments)
An MXR Phase 90 (to thicken lead sound and for crazy clean sounds)

I need to put these babies into a pedal board, but have no idea what order to put them in, or which should go through the effects loop of my Marshall Jubilee 2555. Anyone give me any pointers?

Also, I need a reverb and delay (these will probably be Boss units that i'll buy soon). Where would these fit in?

Will I lose all my tone with this number of stompboxes??

It should go:

Guitar-->Wah-->Phase 90-->Blues Driver-->Metal Zone-->Flanger-->Delay-->Reverb

Or you could do it:

Guitar-->Wah-->Phase 90-->Blues Driver-->Amp-->FX Send-->Flanger-->Delay-->Reverb

Jon

[flemingmras]

I have:

A Morley 'Bad Horsie' wah (true bypass apparently)
A Boss BD-2 Blues Driver (for solo boost)
A Boss BF-2 Bass Flanger (For those rare 'Unchained' moments)
A Boss MT-2 Metal Zone (for those Heavy Metal moments)
An MXR Phase 90 (to thicken lead sound and for crazy clean sounds)

I need to put these babies into a pedal board, but have no idea what order to put them in, or which should go through the effects loop of my Marshall Jubilee 2555. Anyone give me any pointers?

Also, I need a reverb and delay (these will probably be Boss units that i'll buy soon). Where would these fit in?

Will I lose all my tone with this number of stompboxes??

It should go:

Guitar-->Wah-->Phase 90-->Blues Driver-->Metal Zone-->Flanger-->Delay-->Reverb-->Amp Input

Or you could do it:

Guitar-->Wah-->Phase 90-->Blues Driver-->Metal Zone-->Amp-->FX Send-->Flanger-->Delay-->Reverb-->FX Return

Jon

[OdgeUK]

So you can decide whether or not to put the time-related effects through the effects loop? I imagine that putting them before or after yields dramatically different results?

So, if I understand correctly, putting them before the amp input will effect your guitar signal before amplification and overdrive.

Putting them in the FX loop will place the effect over your amplified and (possibly) overdriven signal?

Is that right?

The delay and reverb will be employed all the time, to give my sound some depth. Occasionally I might use the Delay to play Van Halen's - Cathedral. With this in mind, would you go FX loop for these effects?

I would imagine that Ed Van Halen put his MXR Flanger before the amp for Unchained and Ain't Talkin' bout Love ?

[Trigger]

A while ago, bluefuzz and I experimented with this stuff and we developed our own theory. If I remember correctly, we thought it sounded best when first in the chain are the pedals for the lower frequencies (for example a fuzz), then ringmodulators (for example a univibe), then pedals for higher frequencies (for example a treblebooster). Notice that we didn't check out where to put a wah, simply because we don't use that kind of hippie-stuff. Bluefuzz can give you a more detailed explanation, I guess.
Mikey, am I right about the chain?

[Billy Batz]

The preamp in most amps is where the overdrive comes from. If you put time based effects (delay, flanger, reverb, chorus) which rely on using a short repeat of the note and changing its pitch, before OD then the drive will distort both the dry note and the effected note together like it would when you play an interval on guitar. Say you have a chorus going before your amp. It will always sound like your doing a unison bend but not quite making it. Very disanent. Some people like it but use it sparingly that way. John Scofield often uses a detune effect on his whammy pedal which is similar to chorus and you can hear how weird it makes his slightly driven tone. If you have any old live Santana stuff like Lotus you can hear him overdriving old Fender reverb amps with reverb so that the reverb is being driven by the cranked output section. Time by Pink Flyd is delay before a driven amp. So is nothing as it seems by Pearl Jam. Experiment by putting them before or after your OD pedals into a clean amp to see for yourself. It completely counters their use for ambience but people do use them before drive soemtimes to get strange sounds.

[SB Monster]

John Scofield often uses a detune effect on his whammy pedal which is similar to chorus and you can hear how weird it makes his slightly driven tone.

How's that work Dan? I'm a huge fan of Scofield. I've a H&K tube rotosphere thats perfect for those JS tones, I'm sure he uses one, but the detune/whammy thing I've never heard of. Is it like that "octaved" tone on the later albums from Bump to present. Never even heard of a whammy pedal for that matter???

Paul

[Billy Batz]

You never heard of a whammy pedal!!! You cant be a Sco fan and not know about that thing! Think of the crazy sounds in Rage Against the Machine if your at all familiar. Yeah ovtaves and synthetic whammy bar sounds would be the whammy pedal. It has a setting for detune which is like a chorus but it doesnt modulate. It just kinda doubles the note with another slightly detuned note that just sits at the same pitch but gives that full doubling tone. Before drive it has a real weird sound. It almost sounds like its modulating. A watery warbly kind of sound but a bit dissonant. Not far from the sounds or the roto before gain (I had one too!) There both chorus type effects. As far as I know he never used a roto. Maybe. Im not sure if he still uses the whammy but most likely. He used one for years. Especially with that monster board he used to have at one point. Ive seen the thing. It was crazy. He used it with the Trio, its all over Bump, he used it with all the Medeski Martin and Wood stuff. Its the thing that made me actually try a whammy a few times. I never liked it. Go to Chank at about 2:58 in. That is the detuned sound. Ill bet my life on it. He has always used those old analoge ibanez choruses too though

http://johnscofield.com/equip.html

He actually doesnt use the original whammy people rave about but the really shitty XP one thats out now. Ill put it this way. They actually RId that pedal it was so in demand.

[SB Monster]

Didn't know that. I didn't check out what he was using on those later albums becuase they're not my favourites. Favourite album has to be "grace under pressure" with Bill Frissell. Gonna see if anyone over here has a whammy pedal I can try though. I love that sound. Thanks Dan.

Paul

[Billy Batz]

The MMW stuff is my favorite. I love funk though.

[bluefuzzguitar]

[quote="Trigger"]A while ago, bluefuzz and I experimented with this stuff and we developed our own theory. If I remember correctly, we thought it sounded best when first in the chain are the pedals for the lower frequencies (for example a fuzz), then ringmodulators (for example a univibe), then pedals for higher frequencies (for example a treblebooster). Notice that we didn't check out where to put a wah, simply because we don't use that kind of hippie-stuff. Bluefuzz can give you a more detailed explanation, I guess.
Mikey, am I right about the chain?[/quote]

Mike,

More or less. I currently use the following effects in the following order:

Modified original fuzz face or modded reissue fuzz face - J. Everman Fuzz Drive Deluxe - Prescription Electronics Vibe Unit - Menatone Red Snapper - Legendary Tones Time Machine Boost - Chicago Ironn Octavian - MXR Phase 90 - Peterson Strobo Stomp pedal tuner

No logic really, just did what sounded best for each effect.

Mike